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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5129 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes  Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 65 of 84 12 October 2012 at 4:52am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
No, no I didn't. Truthfully, I don't think you meant it playfully, either. Rather, I think you're tacking it onto the discussion after the fact to CYA. At least that how it looks from where I sit. R. == 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4716 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 66 of 84 12 October 2012 at 5:27am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Arekkusu, until now I didn’t know you didn’t get it. After all this time, why would I suddenly want to hurt you? 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 67 of 84 12 October 2012 at 5:30am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I'm not hurt. No worries. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4670 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes Speaks: English* | Message 68 of 84 20 October 2012 at 5:10am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I think putting the word "naked" in the title might decrease your hits. Give that a try...
Ok, I owe you one. But not right now man. For what it's worth, I got the joke immediately. But I admit when Volte and others started jumping on you, I questioned my interpretation. I'm embarrassed. Enough to get out of said video? I hope so.
That's very s_allardesque of you not to define shadowing, or mention what aspects of pronunciation you claim will not be improved by it. I'll assume you mean all forms of shadowing and all aspects of pronunciation and give you one example that counters your claim. Pimsleur requires shadowing, and most agree that it improves pronunciation.
He probably meant "fraud" Edited by Wulfgar on 20 October 2012 at 5:13am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| San Francisco Newbie Japan Joined 4529 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes | Message 69 of 84 21 October 2012 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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まぁまぁかな
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| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4700 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 70 of 84 21 October 2012 at 10:30pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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This discussion is hilarious. Keep it going.
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| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4716 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 71 of 84 27 October 2012 at 7:10am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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It may be hard to tell, but San Francisco's comment there is his reply to my video. I made sure he watched it and asked him to give his honest opinion, and that's all he could say, really. Asking him for more detail would be pushing too much, I think.
Here is a more accurate clip of what I sound like. Well,...this was a week ago, so...it doesn't capture all the practice I put into my sh's this week...and I've been working on my volume issues since then, too...uh, yeah. Anyway, this is just for future reference. Should I start a new Advice Center thread specific to Japanese? atama warui, specifically, what's funny? My patience is practically endless, but vague comments are problematic. I try to read them from every angle and try to give the benefit of the doubt where ever possible, so maybe you were talking about my video being funny. Or were you entertained by how I fended off hrhenry? Actually, I'm a little curious: as a person who loses his temper very easily, what do you think of the way I calmly handle these situations? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4748 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish | Message 72 of 84 10 January 2013 at 8:02am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Everyone brags about the ''correct'' pronunciation,
but what about intonation? Pronunciation can be ''learned'' if you use pronunciation dictionaries, so you can learn how to pronounce individual/isolated words in a natural/correct way. But, the way these individual words are put together into sentences (intonation), is very difficult to master: 1. there are no books ''improve your intonation'' 2. intonation varies (there are zillions of possible patterns, since you can combine many words, you get many combinations) 3. native speakers' intonation is extremely variable, even affected by emotions and stress (even if we don't bother with regional differences) So, you can pronounce everything correctly (no accent) and still sound foreign (because your intonation is strange/weird). That's why the native-like accent is hard to acquire unless you're surrounded constantly by native speakers, and ''absorb'' the language naturally. Flat-intonation will always sound better than an unsuccessful attempt at L2 intonation (which may even be perceived as mockery if exaggerated). What people say about intonation learning: the harder you try, the more exaggerated and forced it will sound. Edited by Camundonguinho on 10 January 2013 at 8:15am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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