frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7038 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes     Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German
| Message 25 of 29 24 August 2012 at 2:57am | IP Logged |
Michel1020 wrote:
To me to hand-write non latin script is more an artistic activity than a language learning one.
... but you defenitively do not learn the language faster because you hand-write. |
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You have taken the step of generalizing how things work for you, or how you think they work for you, to how they are supposed to work for everyone else. Many of us here eventually learn that it is a pretty dangerous step to take. For example, while I haven't studied this issue systematically in my own case, my accumulated impression is that I remember the words considerably better after I write them down in a notebook, even when I review that notebook only very sporadically, if ever. And remembering the words better means learning the language faster.
I will allow myself a story that is not language-related. A couple of years ago my wife taught an undergraduate course in Planetary Science, and as an experiment she made all the students in her class buy lab notebooks, which have a carbon copy of each page you write on. She then required that they take all their class notes in that notebook and do all their homework assignments in it. This produced quite a bit of consternation in the beginning. At the end of the semester several students told her that they were surprised at how much difference it had made to their learning process to have to write everything by hand. Are you going to tell those students that they were merely indulging in an "artistic activity" that couldn't possibly have had any effect on their learning? Apparently, some of them didn't feel that way.
I am pretty sure writing makes a difference in my case. I don't, however, assume that it has to have the same effect on everyone, all I can say is that it may make a difference, but surely no one can make a general statement that it simply doesn't matter.
Edited by frenkeld on 24 August 2012 at 2:03pm
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Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5112 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes    Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 26 of 29 24 August 2012 at 8:31am | IP Logged |
I think it is a matter of speed and I think if you type-write as slow as you hand-write the learning would be close to the same in both cases.
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freakyaye Senior Member Australia Joined 4933 days ago 107 posts - 152 votes 
| Message 27 of 29 24 August 2012 at 8:53am | IP Logged |
schoenewaelder wrote:
freakyaye wrote:
Gonna hit advanced financial accounting like a mac truck :-) |
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Is that a franco-scottish wotsit ? |
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Actually I'm not sure, I stole that from a Canadian friend of mine.
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Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6534 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes     Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 28 of 29 24 August 2012 at 1:34pm | IP Logged |
Michel1020 wrote:
I think it is a matter of speed and I think if you type-write as slow as you hand-write the learning would be close to the same in both cases. |
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You could just look at the link I posted earlier in this thread, and read the relevant research papers. Or you could keep insisting that reality matches your preconceptions.
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patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4628 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes     Studies: German
| Message 29 of 29 24 August 2012 at 1:59pm | IP Logged |
Volte wrote:
Michel1020 wrote:
I think it is a matter of speed and I think if you type-write as slow as you hand-write the learning would be close to the same in both cases. |
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You could just look at the link I posted earlier in this thread, and read the relevant research papers. Or you could keep insisting that reality matches your preconceptions. |
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I have studied memory and I can't think of a good reason how motor learning would somehow feedback into the language areas of the brain. Could you post some relevant research? The link you gave links to lots of research, much of it not apparently relevant.
My guess is, like others, that handwriting somehow slows you down enough to think about the material in question, which might be a good strategy for some, but doesn't imply that handwriting per se is that useful.
Anyway I am open to assessing the argument. If you could post some links to relevant papers that would be great.
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