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Ogrim
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 Message 25 of 66
29 August 2012 at 4:43pm | IP Logged 
s_allard wrote:
There are a few complications that make the science of counting words a bit fuzzy. First, is the fact that words can have many different meanings. For example, I see in a little book of English verbal phrases that the word "go" by itself has around 16 different uses as a simple verb, 7 uses a a noun, 3 uses of go + infinitive and 3 uses of go + verbal -ing.

The second complication that applies especially to English and possibly to other languages is the fact that there are multi-word verbs. For example, with "go" we have verbs like: "go over", "go by", "go easy", "go far", "go on", etc.

In the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn't change much in terms of calculations; one can just say that the head word is "go."


I would treat phrasal verbs as different words, precisely becuase they have different meanings. To me "go on" should count as one word although lexically it is made up of two. This is clear in German, where "Partikelverben", which are pretty much the same thing, are indeed written as one word in the infinitive: "aufgeben", "anziehen" etc.

This leads me to another aspect: when translating, one word in one language may require a series of words in another. To give an example, the Norwegian word "Høyesterettsjustitiarius" is rendered in English as "Chief Justice of the Supreme Court", so one word in Norwegian requires six words in English.
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 Message 26 of 66
29 August 2012 at 5:05pm | IP Logged 
s_allard wrote:

In the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn't change much in terms of calculations; one can just say that the head word is "go."


I think there really is huge difference if you learn 100 different uses of "go" or one simple word like "earphone". All the words are not of same value or similar difficulty. Also the rarer used words are more likely to have just one meaning which is easier to remember.







Edited by petteri on 29 August 2012 at 5:06pm
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 Message 27 of 66
29 August 2012 at 6:50pm | IP Logged 
petteri wrote:
Anki is a brutal and merciless way to grind the words until they stick ...

I have to say, even though I don't use SRS much myself, I find the whole sweat, blood, and tears imagery that often accompanies it a bit surprising. "Brutal", "grind", "merciless", is it really that bad?


Edited by frenkeld on 29 August 2012 at 6:59pm
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 Message 28 of 66
29 August 2012 at 7:03pm | IP Logged 
frenkeld wrote:
even though I don't use SRS much myself, I find the whole sweat, blood, and tears imagery that often accompanies it a bit surprising. "Brutal", "grind", "merciless", is it really that bad?
Yeah, unless you use sentences or phrases.
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petteri
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 Message 29 of 66
29 August 2012 at 8:31pm | IP Logged 
frenkeld wrote:
petteri wrote:
Anki is a brutal and merciless way to grind the words until they stick ...

I have to say, even though I don't use SRS much myself, I find the whole sweat, blood, and tears imagery that often accompanies it a bit surprising. "Brutal", "grind", "merciless", is it really that bad?


SRS is impersonal system which immediately ignores anything you know, but continuously reminds you of aal the things you have learned badly. Negative-positive feedback ratio of SRS systems makes the method cruel as well as the amount of repetitions needed.

But after certain stage understanding the written and spoken language is all about words, not only individually but also in small chunks.

Edited by petteri on 29 August 2012 at 8:32pm
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 Message 30 of 66
29 August 2012 at 9:44pm | IP Logged 
frenkeld wrote:
petteri wrote:
Anki is a brutal and merciless way to grind the words until they stick ...

I have to say, even though I don't use SRS much myself, I find the whole sweat, blood, and tears imagery that often accompanies it a bit surprising. "Brutal", "grind", "merciless", is it really that bad?


I did 3.5 hours of anki in a 24 hour period a few days ago. In small chunks; I can't do more than a couple of 10-minute sessions back to back. And, frankly, yes, it is that bad.
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luke
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 Message 31 of 66
29 August 2012 at 10:17pm | IP Logged 
Well let's see, with 20,000 Words in Spanish in 20 Minutes, it will take less than 5 minutes.

Another one is Essential French Grammar, which has 2,500 cognates, for which one can see the patterns in a minute or two and realize you already know 2500 words.

Edited by luke on 30 August 2012 at 12:57am
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 Message 32 of 66
30 August 2012 at 12:49am | IP Logged 
It depends upon the factors of how long a day a person is studying, how much they're studying and how long in terms of months are spent on the language in question. Also, it depends on how people learn vocabulary, some learn it intuitively, some learn it by making the goldlist method then some people (like myself) learn it mostly from the memrise website.


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