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| viedums Hexaglot Senior Member Thailand Joined 4666 days ago 327 posts - 528 votes  Speaks: Latvian, English*, German, Mandarin, Thai, French Studies: Vietnamese | Message 25 of 89 19 January 2013 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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You could interpret ‘learning characters in context’ as learning how they are used in words. Take the character 法 for instance. There’s 法律 for ‘law’ with third tone, but 法國 for ‘France’ with fourth tone. And then it’s the standard way to translate dharma/dhamma, so there are a few words referring to Buddhist matters where it appears. And so on - basically dictionary work. And of course while you can say you’re going to learn X number of characters, it’s really the combinations that you’re using, and the number of these is really endless, you will never stop learning them…
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| billyshears66 Groupie United States Joined 4514 days ago 69 posts - 78 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin | Message 26 of 89 20 January 2013 at 2:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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How do you like Assimil for Mandarin? I have it, but haven't started.
You're on Pimsleur 2? I'm still on 1, lesson 22... and I've got "stuck". Either I lost interest or it got harder... Have you found hurdles like that in Pimsleur too? Sounds like you're doing great with progress though... keep it up! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| js6426 Diglot Senior Member Cambodia Joined 4520 days ago 277 posts - 349 votes Speaks: English*, Khmer Studies: Mandarin | Message 27 of 89 20 January 2013 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | ||
I really like Assimil. I think the way they start out the dialogue pace slowly and build up to conversational speed is good, and when you get to the second wave it is a great opportunity to practice writing hanzi. I think it goes well with Pimsleur because with that you will be able to practice speaking more and listening at a decent pace. I didn't finish Pimsleur 1, I did a few lessons and then stopped a while back. I just started again and I started with 2 because I found that I knew the vocabulary from 1 (I went through the final lesson to check) and wasn't having any issues. I sometimes find Pimsleur hard because I just feel like I am sitting there for 30 mins doing nothing! I think it'll be worth trying to stick it out though. I think my progress is going ok, but even if it isn't I am enjoying it and that is the main thing :-D 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| billyshears66 Groupie United States Joined 4514 days ago 69 posts - 78 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin | Message 28 of 89 20 January 2013 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, the 30 minutes gets a tad long for me at one sitting. Luckily I'm stuck in my car
for a commute. I'd prefer they were 20 minutes though. I find that around the 20 minute mark, I tend to start paying attention less... and I fight to just finish. As far as Assimil, how do you go about it? 1 lesson/day? Do you repeat lessons until you got them really good? How long does 1 lesson usually take you? Is it something I can do at my lunch break? (45 minutes or so). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| js6426 Diglot Senior Member Cambodia Joined 4520 days ago 277 posts - 349 votes Speaks: English*, Khmer Studies: Mandarin | Message 29 of 89 22 January 2013 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | ||
Totally agree, 20 mins would be just right! For Assimil I try and do a lesson a day. I don't repeat the lessons I just do them once, but I will read over the dialogue a few times. I note down all the new vocabulary and put it into anki once a week. It usually only takes me 10-15 mins to do a lesson. But then once you get to lesson 50 you start doing the second wave, in which you go back over the lessons you have already done (whilst continuing on through further lessons) and translate the dialogues from English to Chinese. 22/1/13 - Not been the most productive couple of days as I have been busy. Assimil done up to lesson 67, Pimsleur lesson 8. Anki all up to date. Browsing some Chinese comics, and also dabbling in a bit of day day up Chinese, which I actually quite like the look/sound of! Continuing on with the hanzi, I still have the goal of doing 20 a week but i'm up to 25 already this week so i'm pleased about that. I'd rather have a low goal and do better than set a goal too high and be disappointed :-D 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| js6426 Diglot Senior Member Cambodia Joined 4520 days ago 277 posts - 349 votes Speaks: English*, Khmer Studies: Mandarin | Message 30 of 89 27 January 2013 at 3:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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27/1/13 - Assimil lesson 73 done. Pimsleur up to 10, accidentally did 10 twice because I forgot which lesson I
was on to! Started using memrise which is cool, think I will start doing it regularly. Watched a Chinese movie which was quite good, although the language changed to Cantonese for about 20 mins in the middle of the film! Understood bits and pieces, but found it quite tough as there were both Chinese and English subs. Had to upgrade anki to the new version, and I downloaded some new decks also. Started to do some Khmer studying again as I want to keep improving. Printed off some very recent documents from ministry websites to read through. Found some new words already, think I know how to use them but they are not in the dictionary and I haven't found anybody Khmer who understands them yet. Very odd situation to have! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| js6426 Diglot Senior Member Cambodia Joined 4520 days ago 277 posts - 349 votes Speaks: English*, Khmer Studies: Mandarin | Message 31 of 89 01 February 2013 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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1/2/13 - Assimil lesson 77 done, Pimsleur lesson 13. Fair bit of Memrise. Read through a couple of lessons on
Lingq but I can't decide whether or not I like it. I like to put the words as known when I know the meaning and the pronunciation/tone, but I don't require myself to know the character first. I'm not sure if this is the best way to do it, but it seems that if I wait until I can read the characters also then it will interfere with my character studying method. I guess I will continue on and see how it goes. Using day day Chinese also and I am on lesson 58 of Elementary 2. With regards to Khmer I translated some documents and added some bits and pieces to my Anki deck. Also did some reading practice. All in all it has been a good few days I feel, although I have been rather busy. Next week is going to be hectic and so unfortunately I don't expect to get much done. But I will continue to do what I can! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| viedums Hexaglot Senior Member Thailand Joined 4666 days ago 327 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Latvian, English*, German, Mandarin, Thai, French Studies: Vietnamese | Message 32 of 89 01 February 2013 at 2:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi js6426, can you give us some examples of these new Khmer words you mentioned? In Thai, there are new words like โลกาภิวัตน์ (lokaphiwat) 'globalization' that many Thais wouldn't recognize, barring those that already know it from English. I've been told that many people don't know even fairly standard Indic-derived words like ไวยากรณ์ (waiyaakorn) 'grammar'. It must be even worse in Cambodia given the state of education there.
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