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| BloodyChinese Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 4365 days ago 39 posts - 61 votes  Speaks: German*, EnglishC2 Studies: Mandarin, Korean | Message 9 of 21 20 February 2013 at 11:38pm | IP Logged |
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@The Real CZ
Awesome! This helps tremendously with rationalising why I am not spending more time on Chinese :P @Druckfehler I could immediately distinguish between ㄱ and ㄲ, ㅅ and ㅆ, ㅂ and ㅃ because I have studied a bit of Sanskrit before. Actually, I was really surprised to find out that Hangeul has consonants that are very similar to the ones found in the Sanskrit alphabet. Like you have a Ka, then an aspirated Kha, and then a Ga. Just take a look here: 
ㅅ sounds like Hsa while ㅆ sounds like Ssa. This is different from the Sanskrit consonants that start with a S or Sh. But I could still hear the difference clearly on Click Korean, KoreanClass101 and TTMIK. Real world conversation and active production is another matter, of course. While I try to parrot whatever I hear, it is still within my secure little room that I do my practice. I will have to go through loads of conversations and dramas before I will be able to make out all the fine differences and accurately reproduce what I understand. I've begun working through KoreanClass101's Pronunciation Series and I have also a book called "The Sounds of Korean" in front of me which I will start studying tomorrow. @Evita I use WavePad for that. It is a slightly better version of Audacity. I use it to record podcasts and will later use it for Dramas and Movies as well. On TTMIK, I usually extract the bits where Hyunwoo and Kyeong-eun both pronounce the lesson's key words. If you come across audio where there is too much background noise or distracting music playing in the background, you can use the "Noise Reduction" effect, which sometimes works out well. @Ojorolla Thanks for the link, although I need to pull off a Goldfibre if I want to read that article in Korean within the next year :P All joking aside, I've met quite a few Falun Gong practitioners and I've read the Zhuan Falun. There is some pretty strange stuff in there, although the principles on which they base their Qi Gong are sound in my view. What I mean by "strange" is that they basically attempted to mix Daoist Qi Gong with Buddhist principles and Confucianist ideology and threw in some UFO and End Times prophecy. I've seen some practitioners becoming able to sit in Full Lotus for many hours after some months of practice, which is more than can be said for many of the Yoga teacher courses out there. This is pretty significant for me as many modern people really struggle with that pose due to tight hips caused by our current lifestyle(sitting on chairs for many hours etc.) I really don't think highly of the current Chinese government(or even society, for that matter), to put it in a mild way. It was to be expected that they'd initiate a witchhunt once the movement became too large for their taste. Chinese people hate things they can't control. They are not like Indians in any way. Which is why Indian teachings have always failed to truly take root in Chinese lands. Communist Chinese ideology has basically adopted the Marxist view that religion is just a backwards stage of evolution you have to tolerate until the ideal socialist society emerges(by which point religion disappears). So the law in China requires any active religions to allow the party to control them, at least in an indirect way. Gotta make sure that these pesky religions really do not upset ze order. Well, don't blame Korea or Seoul's mayor. They are acting in their best economic interest, just like Germany, by the way(or any other country). I can remember that when the Dalai Lama was invited to visit Germany, China immediately threatened to cut off all economic yadda yadda, which made everyone panic in Germany, so they kow-towed until China was all benign again. Money and Military Power is all that China has; forget about cultural charisma. No cultural power. Which is why they can never become a truly great nation. Li Hongzhi, The founder of Falun Gong, made the mistake(?) to create a movement. Since the Qi Gong wave in the 80's, most Qi Gong centered teachings are somewhat tolerated but he added some kind of ideology to the whole thing, which the state feels threatened by. Of course Hongzhi is living in the USA nowadays, unlike most of his poor followers in China for whom Life has become all hell. But that is another matter. Edited by BloodyChinese on 21 February 2013 at 12:15am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| BloodyChinese Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 4365 days ago 39 posts - 61 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2 Studies: Mandarin, Korean | Message 10 of 21 21 February 2013 at 10:14pm | IP Logged |
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Korean + Completed Unit 2 of My Korean + Reviewed the first 15 TTMIK lessons Mandarin + 300/2275 漢字 + Reviewed Practical Audio Visual Chinese 1 Thoughts I really need to learn a ton of words for my Chinese Studies to progress. Not for University, but for my own goals. Becoming able to at least read something interesting(novels or manhua) soon will be the only way to stop myself from spending too much time on Korean. I've found a stash of Chinese Manhuas which are mostly written in traditional characters, so that's what I will be focusing on(besides the obvious benefit for my Korean Studies in terms of Sino-Korean loanwords and Hanja) Edited by BloodyChinese on 04 March 2013 at 8:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| BloodyChinese Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 4365 days ago 39 posts - 61 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2 Studies: Mandarin, Korean | Message 11 of 21 22 February 2013 at 9:15pm | IP Logged |
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Korean + Reviewed the first two Units of My Korean + 1-17 on TTMIK Mandarin + 400/2275 漢字 + Completed Lesson 2 of Practical Audio Visual Chinese 2 + Studied 20 of the Absolute Beginner Podcasts on Popup-Chinese. Thoughts I've noticed that I can memorise Chinese words and characters in large quantities and still retain 95% of them, even when not reviewing them for a while. This is not the case with Korean at the moment. I think I will need some months of regular exposure to Hangeul before I will be able to do the same with Korean. My mind isn't used the sounds and written form of the language yet. I am still waiting for my You Speak Korean! books to arrive. Edited by BloodyChinese on 04 March 2013 at 8:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tea oolong Newbie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4417 days ago 28 posts - 33 votes Studies: Korean* | Message 12 of 21 22 February 2013 at 10:20pm | IP Logged |
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Since you're already learning Chinese, why not use the Traditional Chinese Characters to
assist you in learning Korean vocabulary? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| BloodyChinese Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 4365 days ago 39 posts - 61 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2 Studies: Mandarin, Korean | Message 13 of 21 23 February 2013 at 9:34pm | IP Logged |
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@tea oolong
Eventually, they will help me with learning Korean. As of now, they sometimes sound close enough to the Korean pronunciation. I am just a beginner with Korean, so that I am barely beyond the point where you are just learning survival phrases. Goldfibre mentioned in his log that his early learning of Kanji eventually paid off, not in the beginning but much later. I found something very interesting during my search for additional learning material today. I "acquired" a Chinese book called "Frequently Used Korean Dialogues In 2000 Sentences". It is basically a huge collection of dialogues between a male and female native Korean speaker that come with very high quality audio and Chinese translation below each sentence. Now, my idea is as follows: I want to learn Korean and Chinese at the same time. In this book, the Korean dialogues are way above my level of understanding, however, I understand the Chinese translations reasonably well to be able to understand what these Korean dialogues are about. In places where I don't, looking up the Chinese vocabulary is all I have to do which will help increase my Chinese vocabulary as well. The main reason why this could be interesting for me is because 1) I need to read Hangeul more fluently 2) I am still unsure about special pronunciation rules 3) I want to get a feeling for Korean prosody 4) I need an audio sentence deck 5) While at the same time, I don't want to neglect my Chinese studies. This book could do all that for me. So for my first run through, the only thing that matters is that I read the Hangeul, listen to the recording to make sure I don't mispronounce anything and use the Chinese translations to get the gist of what is going on. Later on, as my understanding of Korean Grammar and Vocabulary progresses, I should go through these 2000 sentences again to see how much I understand without the Chinese translations. To me, this sounds way more fun than to learn random bits of Grammar. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| BloodyChinese Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 4365 days ago 39 posts - 61 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2 Studies: Mandarin, Korean | Message 14 of 21 24 February 2013 at 10:22pm | IP Logged |
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Mandarin + 500/2275 漢字 I've been notified about the conditions under which I can get scholarships. In addition to that, I have to prepare for HSK 4 now. This means that I have to focus on Mandarin for the time being. I like Korean too much to give it up, but I must postpone my Korean studies until I feel confident enough with my Chinese to accept the burden and joy of a second difficult language. Edited by BloodyChinese on 04 March 2013 at 8:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| BloodyChinese Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 4365 days ago 39 posts - 61 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2 Studies: Mandarin, Korean | Message 15 of 21 25 February 2013 at 11:09pm | IP Logged |
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+ 600/2275 漢字 Will study the John DeFrancis Readers next. They're pretty expensive but apparently well worth it. Edited by BloodyChinese on 04 March 2013 at 8:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| BloodyChinese Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 4365 days ago 39 posts - 61 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2 Studies: Mandarin, Korean | Message 16 of 21 26 February 2013 at 10:01pm | IP Logged |
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Completed the February Challenge! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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