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outcast
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Message 17 of 18

03 April 2013 at 2:19am | IP Logged

Medulin wrote:

Most regional Argentinian accents are disappearing due to mass media
(TV from Buenos Aires).

Sorry Medulin, but this is not correct. I'm not sure on what you base that statement.

There is (and has always been), a "lunfardization" of all Argentine regional accents
due to television and radio from Buenos Aires, no doubt. But the accents are not
disappearing. Some neutralization maybe, but not at all disappearance.

The same happens in the USA with New York or California accent on tv, or in Brazil with
Rio or paulista, but that has not threatened the regional variations.

Check this out, local morning news in Mendoza:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPtDiMazTdo

Typical Mendoza accent features, if you listen closely:

- endemic final sibilant "s" deletion (never occurs in rioplatense)
- /j/ for "ll" or "y" (pay close attention to 0:23 and 0:29, both men say "bolilla"
with /j/ sound)
- very faint "cuyano" sing-song (which is vaguely similar to central Chilean)

And then of course, look at the famous "Cordoba" sing-song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E-YRvibgHI

And also features /j/ instead of "sh". Though Córdoba is a transition zone where some
areas in the east have soft "sh" more typical of Santa Fé province.

Edited by outcast on 03 April 2013 at 2:22am
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morinkhuur
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Message 18 of 18

03 April 2013 at 2:27pm | IP Logged

Medulin wrote:

morinkhuur wrote:

The [ʃ] sound for ll and y somehow sounds really ugly and "un-Spanish" to me.

It's just a D-less and voiceless version of the Spanish sound:

yo

[ d͡ʒo ] -> [ʒo ] -> [ ʃo]

yes, I know. It's just my own subjective taste. My statement was more of an aesthetic opinion, not an evaluation
based on linguistic facts.

outcast wrote:

morinkhuur wrote:

The only accent I really wouldn't like to learn is Argentinian.
The [ʃ] sound for ll and y somehow sounds really ugly and "un-Spanish" to me.

Then learn the Mendoza variety of "argentine". The "sh" sound is a German "j". Argentina is a big country, there's
at least 7-8 accents I could list.

I know there are several different accents in every country, but i still prefer caribbean accents to all of the accents
in argentina, chile or uruguay.

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