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| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5784 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 41 of 63 09 May 2013 at 1:57am | IP Logged | |||||
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| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5784 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 42 of 63 09 May 2013 at 2:11am | IP Logged | |||||
Or to put it another way, I'm pretty sure I didn't claim any of those things and you still haven't actually addressed any of my arguments. My main concern in this thread has been that the OP (and others in a similar position who may come across it in the future) not be put off any of the wonderful varieties of Spanish due to (mostly groundless IMO) worries about prestige. For me the only boring, bland and insipid type of Spanish is so-called "Neutral Spanish"; all the others are fascinating and the OP should dive right in to the one they find most interesting and not even worry about it. This is now going round in circles and unless you actually start addressing my points, I'm out. Edit: bah, who am I kidding, I'm out anyway. Fed up arguing. Edited by Random review on 09 May 2013 at 2:36am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 43 of 63 09 May 2013 at 8:49am | IP Logged | |||||
What's prestige? What do you even mean? And no, no languages are more prestigious than others. The reason the Egyptian dialect is the most important is because it is the most widely understood. Plenty of people enjoy the québécois accent (I'm not one of them). Edited by tarvos on 09 May 2013 at 8:49am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gala Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4551 days ago 229 posts - 421 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 44 of 63 09 May 2013 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
The majority of Americans learning Spanish, whatever dialect they may or may not consider "prestigious," do not want to focus on the Peninsular variety, because they will have far fewer opportunities to use it unless they specifically intend to live or frequently visit Spain. I'm a Spanish major in college (almost have the degree in my hand, yay!)and have only encountered 1 classmate in all 4 years of classes that chose to use vosotros, distinción, etc. Also, if you read the reviews for a number of Spanish-learning materials on Amazon US you'll see that materials that emphasize (or sometimes even simply cover some features of, like vosotros!) the Peninsular variety tend to have a bunch of negative reviews complaining about that very thing. It's true that Peninsular Spanish carries a sort of historic weight due to the former prestige and dominance of imperial Spain, but throughout the Americas I think it tends to carry negative, even sinister, connotations for that very reason. The only commercial I've ever seen on US Spanish-language TV networks that features a Castilian (or any sort of Peninsular accent) is an insurance ad (for Allstate, I think) that shows a tall, thin, pale man clad in a black suit, carrying a black umbrella, walking down a city street and apparently magically leaving a trail of rain and disaster in his wake as he is simply walking by (collisions, tree limbs falling down onto cars, etc.) There are many variations on it, all featuring the same actor. In the beginning of each commercial he looks into the camera and says in a very heavy Castilian accent "Soy la mala suerte y en cualquier momento podría crutharme en tu camino." Edited by Gala on 09 May 2013 at 10:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Juаn Senior Member Colombia Joined 5346 days ago 727 posts - 1830 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 45 of 63 09 May 2013 at 11:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
Admittedly I'm far removed from almost all forms of popular media and you might well be better informed than me on current perceptions, however I must say I have never witnessed anything of the sort. Latinos might become annoyed at peninsular Spanish in dubbed movies or other forms of spoken media, but that is because to their unaccustomed ears it sounds foreign and contrived, not out of some simmering resentment over a colonial history that ended a century and half ago and which in all honesty, outside extreme left-wing circles, has no place among civilized people. I for one find European Spanish quite charming, and in writing, eloquent and refined. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gala Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4551 days ago 229 posts - 421 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 46 of 63 09 May 2013 at 11:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
About the "if clauses:" do you mean actually using the conditional *in* the "if" clause itself, or rather using it in the clause that follows it? fe: "Si yo sería ciega, cantaría" or "Si yo fuera ciega, cantaría?" If the former, I had no idea that that would be used anywhere, although I keep learning new things about Peninsular Spanish all the time (ever since I started paying some attention to it.) If you just meant using the conditional in the independent clause and the impf. subjunctive in the dependent one, I wasn't aware that that was considered wrong in any region (in fact I thought it was considered more *correct* everywhere,) though it is indeed very common to use the impf. subjunctive in both in Latin America. "Apetecerle (a uno)" is definitely sometimes used in the Americas, although "antojarle" is more usual, at least in the US and Mexico. "Coche" (which someone else mentioned as being exclusively Peninsular) is also heard, though of course less than "carro." "Averiado" I think I've only encountered in Peninsular sources. EDIT: added "in" to one of the instances of "dependent" Edited by Gala on 09 May 2013 at 11:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gomorritis Tetraglot Groupie Netherlands Joined 4279 days ago 91 posts - 157 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, Catalan, French Studies: Greek, German, Dutch | Message 47 of 63 09 May 2013 at 11:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
I have sporadically heard some people say this in Spain. A classmate in the University was often saying that. I think it sounds horrible and I have always considered it as a huge mistake. But if I recall correctly, his parents were from Basque Country, so maybe it's a northern feature. Edited by Gomorritis on 09 May 2013 at 11:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gala Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4551 days ago 229 posts - 421 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 48 of 63 09 May 2013 at 11:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
Wow, never heard it. I agree that it would sound horrible, although who am I to criticize any native speakers when I still sometimes make gender agreement errors in spontaneous speech:) I try to avoid using the impf. subjunctive in both clauses myself, although I don't think doing so sounds *that* bad. For a non-native it has the advantage of being easier to get right as opposed to putting the respective correct conjugations in their respective correct clauses. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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