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| Hekje Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4704 days ago 842 posts - 1330 votes  Speaks: English*, Dutch Studies: French, Indonesian | Message 49 of 73 09 November 2013 at 11:46pm | IP Logged | ||
Who cares if English "has" anything over any other language? I don't. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5833 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 50 of 73 10 November 2013 at 12:07am | IP Logged | ||
Looks like the trolls are back. *sigh* 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5533 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 51 of 73 10 November 2013 at 2:08am | IP Logged | ||
Papashaw, I've just looked through your posting history, which seems to have a number of themes that keep recurring: 1. "I remember a funny claim from the old antimoon forum that English was so simple that native speakers are spoiled and could not learn other languages as easily. I saw another guy say the same thing in a youtube comment." 2. "I am starting to dislike English native speakers; they can't take care of their own language." 3. "I still feel intimidated by all those things German has over English, modal particles and complex word order still strike me as odd, that we don't have them to the same degree." English seems simple to you because you already know it. But if non-native speakers want to master it to a high level—and not just speak a broken globish—they ultimately need to internalize thousands of pages of rules. Fortunately, by the time they make it that far, they learn much of their grammar unconsciously, without ever knowing it, just like native speakers do. But even so, pity the poor Japanese student of English who needs to learn when to use "a" and "the", and when to leave them out, or anyone who needs to learn all our verb tenses and vowels. Also, if you feel compelled to make sweeping generalizations about the population of various countries (such as native English speakers being 'spoiled'), you will eventually run into problems with the moderators. On an international forum, nothing good ever comes of statements of the form "All people from _____ are very ____". And such statements are inevitably nonsense, in any case: Anybody who understands more than one language quickly learns that people are complex and varied in every country. Consider this a warning to go a lot easier on the stereotypes. Edited by emk on 10 November 2013 at 2:57am 13 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4145 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 52 of 73 10 November 2013 at 3:40am | IP Logged | ||
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I love English. I think that it's a beautiful language. It probably helps that I've been an avid reader for my
whole life, and I learned early on to love an interesting turn of phrase. That said, I had to laugh when I went to Brazil and the kids pretended to "speak English". It was all "l"s and "r"s - and it sounded so strange, but also an awful lot like North American English (as much as gibberish can sound like English). It was so interesting to listen to how English might sound to someone who didn't understand it. And - to be honest - it wasn't the prettiest gibberish in the world. Not like people speaking fake French gibberish. Ha! But yes, I love English. I'm definitely grateful that I learned it growing up and that I never had to learn it out of necessity. Likewise with French (thank you English mom and French dad for giving both languages equal attention at home and sending me to French school!). I feel incredibly blessed that I'm fluent in both of my country's official languages, and that any language learning is a labour of love for me. Edited by Stelle on 10 November 2013 at 3:41am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| zografialep Hexaglot Groupie GreeceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4140 days ago 41 posts - 71 votes Speaks: Ancient Greek, Greek*, EnglishC2, GermanB2, Spanish, Latin Studies: Russian | Message 53 of 73 10 November 2013 at 9:53am | IP Logged | ||
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I am glad that it is not my mother tongue, but that's because I managed to master it.
there were many times in my life as kid that I envied the ''lucky'' british or american children that didnt have to go through this process. As a grown up and more mature person, though, I have to say that I dont ike it because it has because too universal. I love my native language, because it is unique, it is something only my country has and it unites me with the other people that speak it. My language is my culture, my ancestors, the place I grew up, the beatiful landscapes of my country, my religion and the people that fought wars so that I could speak it freely now.Also it is ancient, many great things were written in it and because of the fact that it is so different from the others (not latin or Germanic) it hasnt changed much over the years and hasnt been influded with foreign words. Pretty much same for German and Spanish- even though they're not my mother tongue. When I speak them, I connect to the German people, or the Spanish culture and heritage, with Germany and Spain as a whole. English, spoken in so many countries with cultural diversities has lost the meaning of a language with heritage or ''home'' for me. It seems like a made language, like Esperanto, with no actual country where it's spoken, for the reason that it's spoken everywhere. I would love it to be spoken only in Britain perhaps, because then english would mean London and beatiful castles and Sheakspear, while now it brings stupid Hollywood actors in my mind. Also, being spoken by so many people has filled english with many foreign words and acceptable accents and many ''wrong'' uses of the language have become correct, because they are widely used (for instance ''this ain't mine, I want dat etc ). It feels like it has become violated, and everything is acceptable. In my language for instance,there is one or very few accetable ways to pronounce or say something- it's that or you're saying it wrong. So since English has changed to accomodate everyone, it seems a made language- e.g. esperanto. (I'm not trying to shove other languages down your thoat, I just stuggle to explain and use examples :P) Plese dont take it as an offense, I love the british people and I would love to learn some language unique to this area, like Welsh or a Celtic one. And I hope I dont seem aggressive. Im not, it's just that this subject troubles me too for a long time. :) Edited by zografialep on 10 November 2013 at 9:55am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4666 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 54 of 73 10 November 2013 at 1:22pm | IP Logged | ||
What, Greece doesn't make any stupid movies? :-) But I guess at least if they are made, they are not exported worldwide. Funnily enough, when I talk to people learning English, one of the first things many of them mention loving about America is its movies. When I ask them what their favorite ones are or what they have seen recently, at least four times out of five they say five or six big-budget action blockbusters that I have never seen and have no interest in seeing, heh. The images we give to the world... 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4235 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 55 of 73 10 November 2013 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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The most important thing that I love about America is its music (and not every kind of it). Movies are second in this list :) Some of them are truly my favorites, but I like British cinema too.
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| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4145 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 56 of 73 10 November 2013 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | ||
I understand your point! When I was a kid, I would have given anything to be from a more "interesting" culture. But Spanish is no more specific to Spain than English is specific to England. There are 20 countries that have Spanish as a national language! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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