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| zografialep Hexaglot Groupie GreeceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4140 days ago 41 posts - 71 votes  Speaks: Ancient Greek, Greek*, EnglishC2, GermanB2, Spanish, Latin Studies: Russian | Message 57 of 73 11 November 2013 at 2:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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What, Greece doesn't make any stupid movies? :-) But I guess at least if they are made, they are not exported worldwide. Funnily enough, when I talk to people learning English, one of the first things many of them mention loving about America is its movies.[/QUOTE] Of course Greece has many awful movies! But nobody knows or cares about them, even the greeks. And since the economical crisis no company can afford to make a movie, so we have nothing new.. So it's even worse xP It's a pity that America is so popular because of the movies and the actors, because it's a country with an incredible scenery and landscape, and it's worth more than that.. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Stolan Senior Member United States Joined 4033 days ago 274 posts - 368 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Thai, Lowland Scots Studies: Arabic (classical), Cantonese | Message 58 of 73 11 November 2013 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
Ain't is not wrong in my opinion. Would you say Bayerish speakings are speaking incorrect German? It's a regional variation in English. Edited by Stolan on 11 November 2013 at 2:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| zografialep Hexaglot Groupie GreeceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4140 days ago 41 posts - 71 votes Speaks: Ancient Greek, Greek*, EnglishC2, GermanB2, Spanish, Latin Studies: Russian | Message 59 of 73 11 November 2013 at 2:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, there are many countries where Spanish is spoken... I guess though that it's different because of the fact that they do't have a great impact on the world and most of them are still developing countries, so they are not assosiated with the Spanish language(at least in Europe) and don't and overpower or overshadow Spain, like America does with Britain. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Stolan Senior Member United States Joined 4033 days ago 274 posts - 368 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Thai, Lowland Scots Studies: Arabic (classical), Cantonese | Message 60 of 73 11 November 2013 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have also found some who look down on others who don't speak English, very harsh and mean. A sort of pride
especially among tourists in Asia that they can communicate and the rest of the family is helpless without them doing the talking. Very mean. Edited by Stolan on 12 November 2013 at 3:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Papashaw1 Newbie Australia Joined 4032 days ago 30 posts - 35 votes | Message 61 of 73 12 November 2013 at 3:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
I forgot the previous password to my account so I have this. Okay, I have heeded your warning and will take care of my behavior then. I actually mentioned those stuff not because I agreed with them but to prove a point on how I thought English has to have something done so it won't be looked at the way it is. It is hard to keep cool when I keep seeing so much bad linguistics over the net. Oh I could make a list of things I have read from hundreds. "English is so simplfiied, doesn't almost every other language gender lol?" "We use English because it is primitive, German grammar, Spanish Grammar, Italian grammar, google those, English barely can stand up to them" "As someone who taught English in Brazil, English is poor against Dutch, German, and all those Slavic tongues. It's like the VW beatle while other languages are sports cars" "I know 5 languages and English was the easiest even though _____ was closer to my native one yet I found it harder." Yada yada. It boils my blood but I can't correct all of them or prove them wrong . I need to let go now... Edited by Papashaw1 on 12 November 2013 at 3:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 62 of 73 12 November 2013 at 4:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
I don't see how English is looked upon badly at all given that everyone and their mother, father, dog, next-door neighbour, cousin, pot plant, turkey, fava bean, great- grandchild, and artificial prosthetic limb want to learn English. Grammatical complexity is always from someone's POV - and there's always something complex that you don't quite grasp because your language doesn't have it. I can't tell you how many Dutch (!) people struggle with continuous and perfect tenses because we don't make those distinctions. How pronunciation is a stepping stone. Word order. False friends. Slang. All of it. English doesn't need anything done about it to make it more "grammatically complex", its ease of learning comes from the fact that EVERYONE is exposed to English nowadays so it's really easy to speak poor English based on that exposure. Getting good at English, its nuances, its formulations, its academic register, is just as tough as for any other language - and I had the advantage of living in-situ so that it halved the work I had to do a priori (it took me years as a teenager to learn how to write proper essays in English, even if my vocabulary, grammar and presentation was correct). People call Finnish and Hungarian difficult, same for Korean, but those languages do not have gender at all. Is gender thus the complexifying factor? No it isn't. Cases, then? Chinese is reputed to be the most difficult language of all, but it doesn't have cases. Finnish and Hungarian have case systems but they don't at all work in the same way as the cases of that of Russian, which is equally complex in a myriad of ways. Tones? Pronunciation? Idiomatics? It's all just really arbitrary. Edited by tarvos on 12 November 2013 at 4:04pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4623 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 63 of 73 12 November 2013 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Millions of people across the former Soviet republics speak excellent Russian, even though it isn't their actual native language. But because they were heavily exposed to Russian and needed it to advance within that particular society, people learned it to high levels. It was a necessity.
People outside the Russian zone of influence tend to regard the language as fiendishly difficult but why did the people in Kazakhstand and Azerbaijan not down tools in utter frustration? In Ireland, kids are force-fed Irish all the way through school but most reach adulthood unable to form a sentence in the language and feel resentment towards it. A language is only as easy or difficult as you perceive it to be. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4666 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 64 of 73 12 November 2013 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Just to turn things on their head, why would having grammatical basics (among which we
can count things like gender and declensions) that are "hard" even be a virtue of a language? If we accepted the premise that English really is objectively "easier" to get a handle on, would that not also imply that it would let you get on your feet faster and say meaningful and grammatical things quickly, rather than having to drill a dozen tables in order to be able to say a bare minimum coherent sentence? Seems like by that measure, to use the analogy you cited, English would be the car that's ready to go once you put the key in and the so-called "complex language" would be the car for which you have to assemble the engine yourself before you can even get it off the lot. :-D Edited by tastyonions on 12 November 2013 at 4:32pm 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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