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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6599 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 41 of 52 21 February 2014 at 4:38am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Just clarifying a couple of things.
and that's, well, the most awesome thing about SRS'ing them! you don't need to translate them in either direction, it's just about understanding how they work (and possibly using cloze deletion). in any language, there are lots of awesome sentences that no textbook will teach you to produce. In many cases you also come across them often enough to think "how cool was that? that's real ______! (insert language)", but still too rarely to learn to produce them without going back to them every now and then to take another look and see if they at least start making more sense.
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| cod2 Groupie United Kingdom Joined 4556 days ago 48 posts - 69 votes | Message 42 of 52 21 February 2014 at 11:23am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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After reading all the replies and having thought for a day or so, I have decided to continue using Anki, but limit the number of reviews to 100 and the number of new cards to 20.
I feel the same about Anki as one would feel towards a relationship that's well past its sell by date... you know you should break up, but you feel sorry/guilty for your other half and it's become a habit, and you know you are going to miss him/her in a strange way when s/he is gone. I'll give this new regime a try - it'll take me no more than 45 minutes a day. Yes it'll probably screw up the SRS algorithm, but I don't care. Edited by cod2 on 21 February 2014 at 5:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5534 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 43 of 52 21 February 2014 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
What if you stop adding cards entirely for few months, and spend your review time deleting all the cards that make you die a little bit inside? Even if you don't give up entirely on Anki—and you certainly could give it up—those 45 minutes per day could certainly be spent more profitably elsewhere. Once you stop adding new cards, the review load will die down substantially within a week or two. Just to share some personal numbers, my Anki reps are currently about 15/day, mostly Egyptian, and some mature French cards. I may go up to maybe 80 reps/day for a month or two, and then I get sick of it and stop adding new cards. Personally, I find 20 minutes/day is a nice, long-term average. It's enough to pick up a surprising amount of tricky vocabulary, and it leaves enough time for me to learn the easy vocabulary from actual native books (which is where >80% of my vocab comes from, at least in French). Even though I find Anki quite useful, I personally make the most progress when it's one tool among many. Edited by emk on 21 February 2014 at 12:50pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4911 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 44 of 52 21 February 2014 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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It is interesting how different people use SRS in radically different ways. Speaking about SRS is a bit like speaking about paper; there is a wide variety of uses and preferences.
I differ a lot from Emk's use. For example, if I set my threshold to 4, most new cards would disappear in the first 15 minutes, because I repeat new cards quite a bit. When a card is new to me, I am quite strict about failing it if I have any doubt or hesitation. So unless the card is strongly related to English, I usually fail it a lot when it first appears. But having gone through that, it is usually pretty good on future reps. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5534 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 45 of 52 21 February 2014 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Anki 2 handles leeches very differently from Anki 1. In Anki 2, you're allowed to fail the card as many times as you want, at first, and it won't count against the leech threshold. But once you pass the card for the first time, the next failure counts. But then Anki 2 stops counting again until the next time you pass it. So: Fail Fail Fail Pass Pass Pass Fail Fail Pass Fail Fail Fail Pass Pass …counts as only two failures (in bold), not eight. So my standard leech limit of four will only trigger the fourth time I "reset" a card from passed to failed, and start it all over again from the beginning. At which point, good riddance: that card just isn't going to happen right now, and I'm definitely sick of it. For me, Anki works best as a memory amplifier, but even after considerable amplification, some things just don't stick very well. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6599 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 46 of 52 21 February 2014 at 5:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Wow this seems much more reasonable! Thanks for the info!
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| sfuqua Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4767 days ago 581 posts - 977 votes Speaks: English*, Hawaiian, Tagalog Studies: Spanish | Message 47 of 52 21 February 2014 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I use the reposition feature in anki quite a bit. Stuff I don't want to study right now, I put later in the new card queue, so I won't get to it for a while, and I keep putting new, interesting stuff at the beginning. If I uncheck the "move existing cards" I can easily interleave cards from different sources. You just have to make your cards so that they can be easily separated in the deck.
For reviews, you could use the reschedule option to put cards you hate into the far future, but of course this is subverting the the SRS algorithm. I try to rewrite leaches so that they become doable, trying to add some sort of hint or something to the "front" side of the card. I guess I don't like to say "never" about a given card, but I don't mind saying "next year." :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5983 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 48 of 52 01 March 2014 at 10:51am | IP Logged | ||||||||
It seems to me that you've got too many cards, too soon. I bet that most of your cards will be either meaningless to you (imported from external sources) or plainly stupid (created by yourself when you sucked at the language and possibly at SRS too), so no wonder you hate your deck. The way I see it, you have a lot of deleting ahead of you, although you might just as well ditch you deck entirely and start a new one based on your exposure to native material. If it's any consolation, some people will only consider starting their SRS practice at the point you are now or even later, so you lost nothing. If you ask me, SRS is not a good tool to start a new language, I would rather use wordlists, pop-up dictionaries and learning material the way it's supposed to be used. All that said, if you have already made up your mind not to ever go back to SRS, you can go ahead without much worrying, because like everyone says, it's not really necessary. 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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