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| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4705 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 17 of 67 11 March 2014 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
By "native", I meant in a specific area or withing a specific group. Those native speakers usually learned their Esperanto from their parents, who most likely had an accent from anywhere they were from, like you said. I highly doubt that someone from France and someone from, say, Japan, will speak Esperanto with the same accent (unless they learned it using the exact same resources, but in that case they'll probavbly end up with the accent of the person who created the resources, who also has his/her own accent). Anyway, I was just kidding with "alang" =P I do know that there are people who speak with a more or less strong accent. But if there's such thing as a "native accent" in Esperanto, it should probably be that of Russian, since it was Zamenhof's mother tongue. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6429 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 18 of 67 11 March 2014 at 9:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It's closer to Serbian. Russian has vowel reduction, and very heavy Russian accents are nearly incomprehensible in Esperanto.
There are a lot of events for Esperanto-speaking kids to socialize with each other, and that tends to lead towards some standardization in their accents. This also happens, to a lesser extent, with adults - some people who routinely go to Esperanto events end up with a quite neutral accent, while some don't, kind of like the variance in the accents of adults who move to an English-speaking country and learn English. Edit: it just bothers me a bit when people 'lol' or invent things about various Esperanto-related things, when they wouldn't do the same for Spanish or Ladino with an equivalent amount of relevant knowledge. It's a living language with perhaps a couple million speakers and a couple thousand natives and well over a century of history... Second edit: a further problem with the Assimil Esperanto course is that it doesn't provide a particularly full view of the grammar. The later lessons aren't bursting with participles and causatives, to put it mildly. It feels like it starts at the beginning, and kind of stays there, adding vocabulary but not addressing a large enough subset of the language itself. Edited by Volte on 11 March 2014 at 9:59pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4879 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 19 of 67 11 March 2014 at 9:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Name: L'arabe
Base: French Generation: 2006 Criticism: Speakers on the CD sound like cats being tortured. Good parts: Nothing that makes up for the horror of listening to those recordings. Name: Le grec ancien Base: French Generation: newest Criticism: (1) Ancient Greek has 9236 different ways to conjugate or decline any word (give or take 1500); this might be too much to "assimilate" naturally, much less without pain. Or lots of pain. (2) The dialogues follow a spunky school boy through his day. Greek, the language of gods and heroes, is reduced to telling wacky tales from the gymnasium. Good parts: I like the way the Greek sounds, though others have said the accent is "too French" Name: Le turc Base: French Generation: newest Criticism: The French seems more of an interpretation than a translation of the Turkish dialogues. Assimil might not be a great fit for an agglutinative language. It's hard to match up the Turkish dialogues with the idiomatic French, and you spend a lot of your time with the dictionary to figure out which words mean what. Good parts: Recordings are nice, and you get a sense of how the complete language works. This might be a good course for those who are already approaching a B-1 level in Turkish. Edited by kanewai on 11 March 2014 at 11:05pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| alang Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7211 days ago 563 posts - 757 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 20 of 67 11 March 2014 at 10:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
That is how I understood your post. I think Volte thought you meant there are absolutely no Esperanto native speakers anywhere.
That is why I loled. Edited by alang on 15 March 2014 at 12:51am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ericblair Senior Member United States Joined 4701 days ago 480 posts - 700 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 21 of 67 11 March 2014 at 11:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Name: Italian With Ease
Base: English Generation: newest Criticism: More typos than it seems like there should be. Even having no prior experience with Italian, I was able to notice most. Not a deal-breaker and still a fun enough course! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4626 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 22 of 67 12 March 2014 at 12:47am | IP Logged | |||||
I couldn't believe how the mistranslations between "colazione" and "pranzo" made it through to a final product... 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| ericblair Senior Member United States Joined 4701 days ago 480 posts - 700 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 23 of 67 12 March 2014 at 1:51am | IP Logged | |||||
I just imagine a factory full of French monolinguals doing their best to slap together the product to get it out, haha. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| alang Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7211 days ago 563 posts - 757 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 24 of 67 12 March 2014 at 3:49am | IP Logged | |||||
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@Kanewai,
What were the specifics for the Arabic course, that made the audio difficult to listen to? Speed, native speakers, topics.
I thought Italian is the daughter who stayed home in Italy, while the siblings moved out to what is now known as France, Spain, Romania, Catalonia, Occitania etc.. While keeping up certain features and dropping others. Italian probably did something similar, but probably sounds closer to the mother tongue. I can see why Assimil does not have native speakers for Esperanto, Latin, Ancient Greek, Sanskrit and Ancient Egyptian. The first three were criticised for noticeable French accents. It is odd why a native Modern Greek speaker not chosen to do the audio for Ancient Greek? Esperanto if a non specific region like the Polish accent was not chosen, it would have been nice to hear multiple accents, as it is suppose to be international. It is easier said, than done, due to restraints on time, budget and resources. Does anyone know if the Sanskrit audio was spoken by a scholar of Sanskrit who is a native speaker of a modern day language descended from Sanskrit? As for Ancient Egyptian, my only guess to make it close, is to have a Coptic speaker do the audio for the reconstruction. This is only a guess. Edited by alang on 15 March 2014 at 12:53am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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