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| poorenglish_ Newbie Spain Joined 4632 days ago 12 posts - 17 votes Speaks: Spanish* Studies: English | Message 65 of 100 29 March 2014 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
What are you talking about guys? He's from England! http://www.juliankitagawa.com/ 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maydayayday Pentaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5217 days ago 564 posts - 839 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Italian, SpanishB2, FrenchB2 Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), Russian, Swedish, Turkish, Polish, Persian, Vietnamese Studies: Urdu | Message 66 of 100 29 March 2014 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Too true - yet some native accents aren't too popular with some people either 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4306 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 67 of 100 30 March 2014 at 10:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Wow. Living in Japan in 7 years can make your native accent sound non-native? He sounds Scandinavian to me. This is a problem for a whole new thread. Alexander Arguelles also seems to have developed odd pronunciation for English after however many years of teaching. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5907 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 68 of 100 30 March 2014 at 11:34pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
He sounds German to me... Like, maybe a native German speaker who's lived in Australia for a while or something... I wouldn't have guessed that he was a native speaker. Liz 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5379 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 69 of 100 02 April 2014 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
People do listen, but they hear meaning first. They hear a word, it triggers an association to a meaning, and they will say the word they have associated with that meaning using their own mental phonological representation of that word. Actually, it never ceases to baffle me. Even in the context of a pronunciation class, where you are clearly asking people to pronounce a word exactly like you, people will repeat the word you JUST said with the wrong stress and the wrong sounds, unaware of what they did. You can often do it a few times in a row with the same result. Try it! You can train yourself to become more acutely aware of the sounds you hear, though. People do get better at it. But to start noticing something you have to want to devote energy to it. Many people will spend years and years getting corrected and still have no idea what's really happening, what they are saying wrong or -- and this is common -- why people just aren't getting it. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5428 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 70 of 100 05 April 2014 at 2:49am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't want to take the thread in a different direction, but isn't this what the critical-period debate is about? On the one hand, it's quite easy to develop a good or native-like accent at an early age and devilishly difficult at a later age. The reason may be something neurological. So, acquiring an accent is not as simple as imitating something that you can hear. Edited by s_allard on 05 April 2014 at 6:37am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 71 of 100 05 April 2014 at 10:54am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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But in a classroom situation kids don't tend to be any better than adults. IMO the issue is more that adults are less likely to find themselves in total immersion situations, and even then 1) they're often not starting from scratch; 2) they are fluent readers in L1 and trust the written word more than children do; 3) L1 is a part of their identity that they don't want to lose. Edited by Serpent on 05 April 2014 at 11:03am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5379 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 72 of 100 05 April 2014 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Not quite. People can hear stress. But they will repeat following the stress pattern they have become accustomed to using -- basically, they go back to their mental representation of the word before they analyze what they just heard. My suspicion is that performing this analysis is really difficult for them (99% of students were never explicitly taught to compare L1 and L2 phonology) and they resort to their own model because it's simpler. Similarly, students will say "hab" instead of "have" out of habit, but after proper training, a simple cue will get them to correct it. We are far from "native-like", but this type of correction is still important. Edited by Arekkusu on 05 April 2014 at 6:30pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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