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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 41 of 61 12 May 2014 at 5:08am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Haha so true about barely ever speaking Russian. BTW, compared to Finland our culture is definitely more extraversion-focused.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 42 of 61 12 May 2014 at 6:29am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Jesus Christ no. It's nothing to do with immutable personalities, it's to do with how you feel in company. This energy is not about acupuncture or yin- yang. It's about you waking up in the morning and going WORLD PLEASE GO AWAY. It's about the motivation you feel to stay in a certain situation. You really don't understand this topic at all. Introversion starts linking to depression when you are alone too often yes. Even introverts need to deal with people sometimes. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4082 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 43 of 61 12 May 2014 at 9:47am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Um no, everyone is welcome in this thread.
Nice try, but no. Introversion/shyness are not related. Some of the hardest students are introverts. Introversion helps one to "tune out" and direct laser like focus on studying/task at hand.
This is the only reason for your weak motivation. You have been able to get away with not doing hard things. Life's been easy so far. Edited by Gemuse on 12 May 2014 at 9:59am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4234 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 44 of 61 12 May 2014 at 10:00am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Gemuse, well, it depends on a person. It's hard for me to work if I don't see a point of it. Languages
are related to communications. What's the point of learning a language if I'm not going to communicate in it? I know, it sounds like a try to justify myself, but, well, this is what I think when I dump studies. I'm being honest here. Yeah, I'm also a lazy ass and I fear hard things, but that didn't stopped me from getting my English at "wow, I can talk" level, cause at some point I realised that I need to know it, that I'll be talking in it regardless of how introvert and shy am I. I haven't reached that point in any other language... yet. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 45 of 61 12 May 2014 at 10:10am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The point I would like to make here is that you decide in which situations you enter
and do not enter in order to speak that language or not. It's very rare that outside circumstances force you into such a situation (but it has happened to me with French that I subrented a flat in Brussels and all my flatmates turned out to be French and not speak English. Well, French it is!). Whether you enter into situations where you use German or not (or Greek, or Dutch, or Swahili) is dependent on you moreso than on your environment. I am introverted, but if someone starts talking Greek or Swahili to me I will speak those back if I can. You communicating in German is a choice you make. It is up to you to click on the URL bar and say: "I am going to write/speak/read in German". You have a choice to press buttons and do so. This means you are fully conscient and aware of your surroundings. Equally you have a choice to drop doing it. But "I am not going to use it" is a self- fulfilling prophecy. You have a choice to open your mouth and say "Guten Tag, wie geht es dir". Where this stops being true is when your mental state of mind lowers the motivation to levels where it is mentally impossible to do something (and this is what you suffer from if you have depression or other psychosomatic medical troubles). This is the equivalent of a broken leg. Being depressed means you are not fully responsible for your actions anymore due to your condition, but it does imply a responsibility for treating the condition and its symptoms (to the point where you can function normally in society again). You have the choice to PUT YOURSELF in situations where German c.q. French c.q. Lak is a prerequisite. Doing that takes a bit of courage but opens up your horizons to no extent. And you can also choose these situations to be ones in which you would be socially comfortable, there is no reason to go to German parties if you don't like them - but if you like me are into travelling you could go to travellers' meetings and speak Romanian (that's what I do), or negotiate your volunteering work days in Romanian, work with children in Romanian, etc. Necessity is something determined by you, and partly by your environment. Edited by tarvos on 12 May 2014 at 10:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Penelope Diglot Senior Member Greece Joined 3869 days ago 110 posts - 155 votes Speaks: English, French Studies: Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 46 of 61 12 May 2014 at 10:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I have personally been very shocked to read how introverts describe extroverts. Bullies and chatterboxes? Um, no...
This entire thread is full of stereotypes on both "sides" (although human beings are wonderfully complicated). Intresting thread to follow, but upsetting. Come on everyone! Has there even been an agreement on the terms of the discussion, like what is an introvert? I don't think so. Edited by Penelope on 12 May 2014 at 10:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| AlexTG Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 4638 days ago 178 posts - 354 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Latin, German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 47 of 61 12 May 2014 at 11:50am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I've read that Barrack Obama is quite the introvert. It's not about what you can do, or what you do do.
Of course Obama must be able to chat people's socks off, go into large crowds and be the centre of attention. He's a politician. But he prefers quiet, one on one chats with close friends. In regards to the original post, add me to the list of introverts who prefer the quiet of a book. I think a major obfuscating factor though is that audio courses focus on small-talk, meeting someone for the first time, whereas text courses tend to focus on bigger ideas. Edited by AlexTG on 12 May 2014 at 11:53am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 48 of 61 12 May 2014 at 1:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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@Penelope, it's personal experiences more than stereotypes. Even my mum says: "but you speak to me! you're an extravert!" and pushes her talkativeness on me whenever I'm with her. I love my mum and I'm comfortable speaking of nearly anything with her, but I would enjoy it so much more if she spoke a tiny bit less.
Part of the problem is that much of the bullying and default-ism in the world is unintentional. We know that you just want to be nice and friendly and often try to help us. But please listen when we say why we don't need to be saved. So true about audio courses focusing on small talk! We don't even enjoy our own small talk, listening to someone else's is even more pointless, especially when it's in textbook-ese. For me the major exceptions are Assimil, Deutsch?Warum nicht! and Mission Europe (German, Polish, French). And of course listening to native materials from the beginning is a great solution too. As well as the multitrack approach, including lyricstraining and especially GLOSS. Edited by Serpent on 12 May 2014 at 1:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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