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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 33 of 129 17 September 2014 at 12:58am | IP Logged | ||
Because of time limit reasons, many subtitles only present the basic information (or rather, the most important information). The "reading speed" dictates how long the subtitles are shown, and therefore everything isn't translated. "Textningskonventioner skiljer sig mellan olika länder och språkområden, främst vad gäller liggtider (den tid då texten syns i bild). I Skandinavien har public service-bolagen i samarbete med tittarorganisationer länge arbetat för att hitta normer för liggtider baserade på läshastighet. Man har därför inriktat sig på att så elegant som möjligt redigera undertextningen så att publiken både hinner läsa textremsorna och titta på filmen eller tv-programmet. I länder med svagare undertextningstradition finns en ängslighet beträffande redigering; där är uppfattningen den att allt måste översättas för att publiken inte ska gå miste om något. Men i själva verket tyder allt på att publiken i sådana fall missar själva filmen, eftersom blicken hela tiden måste "jaga" de snabbt växlande textremsorna för att inte missa något." http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textning 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3861 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 34 of 129 17 September 2014 at 1:58am | IP Logged | ||
Ahh, very sensible. Of course it can sometimes be frustrating if there is a word I missed that isn't in the subtitles, or which is changed in the subtitles, but for the most part it doesn't really affect my understanding. In some cases, it makes me work a little harder to decode what I've heard, as I can't just rely on the subtitles. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3861 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 35 of 129 25 September 2014 at 10:53am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm back at uni, which means that my study of German and Swedish has dropped to almost
nothing, while French is back with a vengeance. I have about 40-45 pages of French reading which absolutely must be done before next week Tuesday, as well as translation homework and a résumé that must be written on an article from Le Figaro. In addition to this, I have several pages of English reading to get through, and Plato's Phaedrus to read and understand. Unsurprisingly, after using my brain so much after such a long break, I am far too tied and headachey at the end of each day to tackle my other languages. Even Anki reviews are too much. Hopefully, however, I'll adjust to the workload soon, and be able to schedule in a little time daily to look at either German or Swedish. A boon is the Fabulo app that language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39247">Chris13 recommended to me. I do a little of it most days. The vocabulary is pretty simple so far, but it provides drills and basic sentence building exercises to keep me doing at least a little in Swedish. The German version of the app is not as good, but it is helping up my vocabulary a little bit, so it also has it's uses. -- This has been an update! Now, back to André Breton and his 'Manifest du surréalisme. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3861 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 36 of 129 26 September 2014 at 2:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've started a new Anki Deck for French, into which I will put new interesting
vocabulary and (if I ever get round to it) grammar drills from the many French grammar books that I have bought and never opened. I have a couple more pages of surrealism to get to today, and I should really read some more of Manon Lescaut as I'm to have finished the first part by Tuesday. -- Something exciting is that I've finally managed to open an .srt file, thanks to a post in another thread. I've just spent a little while going through the subtitle file for Solsidan and removing the time stamps. I'll spend a little more time making it easier for me to read, and then add translations where needed. I'm so happy as I can work intensively on future episodes without having to pause and manually write down every word I don't know. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3861 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 37 of 129 27 September 2014 at 11:56am | IP Logged | ||
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Yesterday, I wrote that I was looking forward to studying future episodes of Solsidan now that I had finally worked out how to create useable transcripts. Oh, I was young, and foolish. I looked, and was only able to find the subtitles for about four episodes, all of which were from season four save the subs file for the pilot. How can this be? I'm debating downloading the files and studying the episodes anyway, in the hopes that other episodes will pop up if I check regularly, but it's just not the same. --- French School appears to have rekindled my interest in French, and I worked on French vocabulary and grammar well into this morning. I also managed to finish reading through the selected passages of André Breton's Manifeste du surréalism which was, if I'm honest, a little ideologically terrifying in places. However, it was a very interesting read, and one day I might even read the whole thing in full. I've also read more of Manon Lescaut. The only thing pushing me forward with this book is the fact that it's required reading and I really, really want to do well this year. I only have twenty pages left until the end of the first part, so that is a small blessing. I aim to read ten pages tomorrow and ten on Monday. -- German As usual, German is being neglected by me. Was it I who said that I wanted to be somewhere around A2-B1 German by this time next year? Yes, yes, it definitely was. I know I won't get anywhere with my current pathetic display, and so I'm determined to do at least a page of reading today, and hopefully I will do a few exercises in my poor abandoned coursebook, too. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3861 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 38 of 129 28 September 2014 at 7:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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German! Finally, German. German is very difficult :'( the method I applied in the early stages of Swedish (learning by sheer brute force, pretty much) is not doing so well here. I have managed to decipher a page and a bit of Alles Sense!, but it has been very slow going. I much prefer reading through it extensively and occasionally grabbing hold of some meaning, but that is not a very effective way of doing things. I'm looking forward to any little breakthrough I can get, but I guess I have a lot more studying to do before I get there. -- French I set myself some grammar to do, but I have only done two exercises. The first one went tolerably well, the second was awful. I find my main problem with grammar is not actually learning the rules, but remembering and applying them. I can learn rules for a test or something of that nature, however when I speak French 'in the wild' the rule flies out of my head. Worse than that is the fact that I know that there is a rule I'm meant to be applying! The knowledge that there is some grammar that I am probably messing up (or will probably mess up, as the case may be) confuses me so thoroughly that I can barely get a coherent sentence out. Suddenly, things that would have otherwise come easily to me become an impossible task. This was part of the problem with the exercises I had to do today. Some of them I found fairly easy to decode, however others became suddenly very difficult because I was trying to apply a rule rather than speak naturally. -- Swedish Finally, Swedish. I have done no Swedish today, but I will do some anki reps later. I have also planned a trip to Sweden in early December, and will hopefully book tickets tomorrow. It would also be nice to spend a day or so in Copenhagen, as I'll be flying to Copenhagen, and as I have a friend who lives there. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chris13 Groupie FinlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4056 days ago 53 posts - 64 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish, Finnish | Message 39 of 129 12 October 2014 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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A December spent in Sweden and Denmark sounds absolutely wondrous! I hope you managed to book your tickets okay. I also hope your studies are progressing well, noticed you've been about as absent as I have, so figured I'd give a friendly bump in the hope of your resurfacing. :)
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| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3861 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 40 of 129 13 October 2014 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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@Chris13 thank you! Hello and welcome back to us both :) I've booked my tickets. I'll
only be gone a week, but I'm looking forward to it immensely. I've also planned an evening out with my friend in Copenhagen, so fingers crossed all goes to plan. How are your studies going? Hope you're getting back into the swing of things :D Things are less simple on the language front: school seems to be swallowing all of my energy, leaving little to nothing for my non+academic languages. I'm working much more actively on my French now, although that is kind of a given, as I study it. Most of the Swedish exposure I get is through Anki and occasional Swedish messages to/from my boyfriend. I have asked my German friend to send me one message in German every day. Actually, I asked her to only message me in German, but she objected. So we've settled (sort of) on one German message a day, which I then have to go through and understand. I reply in English right now, because my active vocabulary is still limited to maybe ten words :/ She also proposed the idea of us reading together in German, which I am looking forward to. Something fun: as she visited me yesterday, I asked her to speak to me in German rather than send me a message. She told me about how she spent her Saturday, and amazingly I understood most of what she said. It was definitely all guesswork, but it still felt amazing! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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