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French: The important -ir and -re verbs | ||
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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7137 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 17 of 19 13 September 2014 at 1:14am | IP Logged | ||
To tie in emk's verb form spreadsheet with FSI Basic French... FSI Basic French has 24 lessons. The course is basically divided into 4 quarters. Each quarter ends with a review of the previous 5 lessons. If we ignore the 4 review lessons, we can think of the course having 20 lessons. That will make the percentage math simpler. Each lesson represents 5% of the course. The first quarter of FSI Basic French aligns perfectly with emk's analysis. It covers the top 4 irregular verbs as well as regular er verbs. %FSI %emk verb coverage 25% 67.65% The second quarter of Basic French gets the next 5 most frequent verb forms and 3 others. 50% 82.5% The third quarter covers about 5% more verbs. They've covered the top 16 verb forms. 75% 89% They cover 2 more verb forms in the last quarter of the course. They spend most of their time on the subjunctive. 100% 90% Edited by luke on 13 September 2014 at 1:15am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5464 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 18 of 19 15 September 2014 at 1:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you for the information on FSI Basic French. It sounds like they're really following the frequency distributions pretty closely, then.
I had a few spare moments while travelling this weekend, and I made the following chart which was inspired by the Wikipedia article s_allard linked to: 
This is the basic, underlying system of French verb conjugation. There are genuinely irregular verbs, of course, but everything else can be shoe-horned into this table somehow. At some point, when I'm less busy, I want to turn all this into a concise guide to French verbs. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5464 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 19 of 19 15 September 2014 at 8:41pm | IP Logged | ||
And for those who prefer a more concrete example, here's boire:
It's actually pretty tricky to find a verb which shows off the full flexibility of this system. Most verbs combine singular+stressed or unstressed+stressed. But boire and the tenir/venir group work well. But the latter group also has a tricky "simple past" stems, so it makes a poor example. 5 persons have voted this message useful |
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