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Radioclare’s tac log 2015 (*jäŋe/*ledús) | ||
Tags: Macedonian | Serbian | Serbo-Croatian | Croatian | Esperanto | Total Annihilation Challenge (TAC) | ||
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| basica Senior Member Australia Joined 3534 days ago 157 posts - 269 votes  Studies: Serbian | Message 225 of 292 23 June 2015 at 11:27am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'll give you a quick rundown :)
Firstly, yeah there are some errors and (to my slight annoyance) everything is in the feminine perspective to the point where I sometimes say things the feminine way out of habit (imala sam instead of imao sam for example) :P The first 1000 sentences seem to have about 5-6 errors that I've picked up on which isn't too bad I suppose, but obviously none would be better :D You have 2 groups of files - GMS and GSR. In each folder you have 3 "fluency modules" for a total of 3000 sentences. As you may have noticed though, a good chunk double up. Anyways, in the GSR format you basically get introduced 10 new sentences a day, while getting rid of the 10 oldest ones in a somewhat spaced repetition type system. By the time you finished all the fluency modules you'd have had many thousands of repetitions. Each time the sentence is read out in English and then in Serbian. The GSR files are sorta intended to be listened to at the rate of 1 a day. This approach means you'd take about a year to go through them. The GMS files contain the same 3000 sentences in 3 different formats - ABC. Regardless of the format each file contains 50 sentences and thus each fluency module contains 20 files. Unlike in GSR the sentences are not read out multiple times, they are read out just once before moving onto the next sentence - so you'll notice they're much shorter. The difference between the ABC files are this: The C files contain only Serbian, the B files contain English first, then Serbian with a long pause for you to be able to repeat the sentence in the space and then the A files have English first, followed by Serbian repeated twice. To be honest, they could really do with improving their explanation for how all this works :) Assuming you go with the GMS method, the idea behind it is rather intense - how much of it you want to follow is up to you but the general idea is you listen to the sentence, right down what you hear, compare it and correct it. Listen again - repeat what they say and record yourself doing it - listen to your recording and compare to the audio given and basically work your way through till the end. This was a bit too intensive for my tastes, hence I took the GSR approach :) Glad to hear your Memrise course is being put to good use; must be a good feeling knowing others are using it :) Also, I don't blame you giving up on the hobbit, I also got a hold of it a while ago and I gave up pretty quickly. For some reason I thought it would be an easy read. How foolish of me :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4581 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 226 of 292 24 June 2015 at 12:12am | IP Logged | |||||
Thank you Basica, that was sooooo useful :) But I notice that the one important fact you left out was how annoying the man is who says "Brought to you by Glossika!" at the end of each recording. Oh my goodness, I already want to murder him I was surprised to see that all the audio was from a female perspective as well. I was kind of expecting it to switch to a male voice partway through for a bit of variety, but seemingly it doesn't. Not a problem for me obviously, but does seem a bit unusual. I haven't quite decided which approach I'm going to take yet but I can't see myself recording myself and comparing it to the tape; life is definitely too short. I just want to get in the habit of doing something on it every day really, because I haven't managed to get into a habit of studying regularly this year at all. This evening I carried on trying to listen to the sentences all the way through and got to about 500. I feel like I've already benefited actually as I learned that I would have been stressing the wrong syllable of 'muzika' and 'Kanada' if I'd said them aloud, which I don't think I ever have. I can see that if I do succeed in going through the sentences systematically I ought to have a much better understanding of the stress patterns; I'm extremely bad at hearing whether a vowel is rising or falling, never mind trying to imitate that myself, but with this volume of repetition I think even I can make some headway :D
Yes, I thought the same, but it's not easy at all!! I always thought of it as a book for children but the vocabulary seems pretty difficult to me. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4581 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 227 of 292 24 June 2015 at 10:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I listened to 45 minutes of the 'Dolina Straha' audiobook on the train to work this morning and felt very virtuous. I suffered from the same problem I
always do when I listen to an audiobook on public transport though - which is part of the reason why I hardly every do it - in that the train and station are so noisy that I have to play it on the highest possible volume in order to stand a chance of hearing it, and even then I miss huge chunks if there's an announcement or something. I've also been watching some of the DW Hrvatski videos of the day, which are quite cool because they only last about five minutes (although sadly they don't count toward the Super Challenge!). This week I've watched one about migrants, one about religious discrimination in Georgia and one about nervousness at the Finnish-Russian border. I like watching Deutsche Welle in any language, because the topics are always so varied and much more interesting than the BBC. This evening I listened to the remaining Glossika sentences, so I've now listened to all of the first 1000 once and can start figuring out how I'm going to approach the course. I was pleased to see that as I progressed through the sentences they got a lot more interesting/complicated and I definitely feel like there is a lot I can learn :) Edited by Radioclare on 24 June 2015 at 10:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4581 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 228 of 292 25 June 2015 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Today was Dan Državnosti Republike Hrvatske (Croatian Statehood Day) which celebrates Croatia's declaration of independence from Yugoslavia in 1991. I read an interesting
article on one of the Croatian news websites, which was an interview with a politician complaining that Croatia has too many national days and they ought to amalgamate some of them. Unfortunately I can't remember which website I read it on now to link to it, but apparently they have several other very similar national days so it did sound a bit excessive. The Croatian government helpfully tweeted a link this morning to explain what today is about. I do recommend following @VladaRH on Twitter as they tweet some really interesting stuff. They've recently won some sort of award for being the most active government on Twitter :) Not that I want you to think I spend my entire working day trying to kill boredom by refreshing Twitter, but another interesting article I read today was from the Balkan Insight website, which tweets Balkan news in English as well as the regional languages. It's supposed to be an impartial source of regional news and it generally focuses on legacy justice issues from the wars. Today's article was about how the government in RS has allegedly told primary schools they need to refer to the language taught as 'Bosniak' rather than 'Bosnian' and how upset the Bosniak parents are as a result. It's one of those things that as an outsider it's difficult to grasp quite how emotive the issue is for the people involved. Balkan politics aside, today has mostly been about Glossika. I'm still trying to figure out a way of using the files which works best for me so that I can get into a routine with it. Today I listened to all the A B and C files for the first batch of 50 sentences twice; once on the way to work and once on the way back. I practised saying them in my head, but not out loud as I was on the train. I'm thinking I ought to do some sort of exercise with writing the sentences out... it even occurred to me that I could do it in both alphabets... but I ended up going out for dinner this evening so haven't had chance to start. I listened to the first two GSR files on the way home as well and I really liked them, but it felt like the pace was quite slow for me at this stage. So I am thinking I might use those later on in the course when the sentences become more complex.... We'll have to see! Edited by Radioclare on 25 June 2015 at 11:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| solocricket Tetraglot Groupie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3674 days ago 68 posts - 106 votes Speaks: English*, French, Italian, Spanish Studies: Dutch, Icelandic, Korean, Polish | Message 229 of 292 28 June 2015 at 5:04am | IP Logged | |||||
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I just have to say your log is quite inspiring with regards to any language, but I have
now been tempted to try Serbian thanks to you and basica! I'm not one to fight wanderlust, so I came back from the bookstore today with Teach Yourself Serbo-Croatian :D 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 230 of 292 28 June 2015 at 7:34am | IP Logged | |||||
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Yay welcome aboard!!!
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| basica Senior Member Australia Joined 3534 days ago 157 posts - 269 votes Studies: Serbian | Message 231 of 292 28 June 2015 at 8:32am | IP Logged | |||||
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Good book to get your feet wet with, I got started myself with a TY and it really paved the way for me. I
likewise say welcome aboard, and feel free to start a log here for us all to keep an eye on your progress! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4581 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 232 of 292 28 June 2015 at 11:31am | IP Logged | |||||
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Yay, always exciting when someone else starts learning Serbian or Croatian :)
I started with TY as well and it's definitely a good course. Will look forward to seeing how you get on :) 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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