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Radioclare’s tac log 2015 (*jäŋe/*ledús) | ||
Tags: Macedonian | Serbian | Serbo-Croatian | Croatian | Esperanto | Total Annihilation Challenge (TAC) | ||
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes  20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 265 of 292 06 July 2015 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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What struck me most about prosto is that the corrector's point is misleading. Anić's dictionary marks the term as a colloquialism and even includes the "proper" jednostavno in the definition. I too have had my share of Croats trying to make my Croatian seem less Serbo-Croatian (to them). The attitude reminds me a bit of the British outrage over Americanisms when it turns out that at least some perceived Americanisms have been attested in British English at some point or another. There are differences, but amateurs and nationalists make distinctions where there aren't any, if not distort existing ones.
Here there's no difference in prosto's meaning as much as a difference in register. However, the corrector's note that it's vulgar ('dirty words' (?)) to use prosto among Croats (in contrast to Serbs) seems at best to be a stretch given the dictionary's entry. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4581 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 266 of 292 06 July 2015 at 11:40pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes, I was extremely confused by the "dirty words" comment too; it would probably have been clearer what he meant if he'd just written it in Croatian! It is frustrating to get corrections like this. I frequently get people correcting things like my use of 'da' for being too Serbian (it tends to slip into my writing when I've been reading a lot in Serbian!) but at least with something like that I know I can just ignore the correction if I don't feel like making it. These more subtle corrections are harder to assess the validity of. Something came up the other day, for example, where I'd written "Mnogo radim od ponedjeljka do petka" and the girl correcting me wrote ""mnogo" - meni iskreno ovo više zvuči kao nešto što bi iskoristili susjedi Srbi, prirodnije mi zvuči "puno" na istom mjestu". It was well-meant stylistic advice but ultimately if I could get to the stage where the only mistakes I am making is sounding Serbian then I would be extremely happy :D 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4581 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 267 of 292 06 July 2015 at 11:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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No controversial corrections in today's writing :) Okay, so I didn't write all of the
following today; I started it yesterday but finished it today. After this text I'm on 7 232 words for the Output Challenge.
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| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4581 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 268 of 292 08 July 2015 at 11:16am | IP Logged | ||
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A shorter entry for yesterday :)
I think rdearman's idea of writing a journal in your TL every day is a really good one, although sometimes I feel like the Croatian correctors on Lang-8 know far too much about my life :D My old French teacher at school used to say to us "Your French oral is not confession!", reminding us that the aim was just to speak and it didn't matter whether what you said was true, so long as it was in French. But I think it's hard to keep writing in a foreign language and not talk about your own life, at least when you're still a long way from being fluent. I tried writing about canals the other day but it didn't really work out :D
I watched another episode of Budva last night. Not that this entire series is trying to be a massive advert for the Montenegrin tourist industry, but today there was a slightly spurious reason for two characters to visit Cetinje, so we were treated to several minutes without dialogue while they showed us shots of Cetinje to music :D Actually Cetinje (which is the old Montenegrin capital) looks really interesting and it's top of the list of places in Montenegro that I want to see but haven't yet, so it was actually quite cool. The main thing which struck me about the series recently has been how many characters have guns and how casually they wave them around. In the past few episodes we have had a drug dealer with a gun (though in fairness, I guess that might be essential equipment for a drug dealer), Savo with a gun, Savo's friend Boro with a gun and a new character who is extremely angry that one of the existing characters has been sleeping with his wife, who has not just one gun, but a couple of scary-looking bodyguards with guns. I guess Montenegro has worse gun control laws than America :D Although in fairness, I think we have only had one fatal shooting in the series so far. I think I now need to watch about another 30 minutes until I get another star :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| basica Senior Member Australia Joined 3534 days ago 157 posts - 269 votes Studies: Serbian | Message 269 of 292 08 July 2015 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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I too considered writing about things made up, but it's too hard for me to think of topics :) Much easier to say
what I did today or what I thought about as even though it might be boring I don't have to worry about thinking of a topic and then finding the vocab for it :) You are keeping up well, it's great to see! :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4581 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 270 of 292 09 July 2015 at 11:25am | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, I completely agree - writing is hard enough without trying to find something interesting to say :D
Not too many corrections to yesterday's writing, which was encouraging to see.
I watched another episode of Budva last night and it was very exciting. Still not at all clear how some of the main storylines are going to be resolved by the end of the series. And yes, there were more guns :D I've now reached 125 films (yay!) so morally I am have gained another star. Sadly it's an invisible star because of the way the scoring algorithm works. I think I got two blue stars by the point at which I read 150 books, and now I am on 231 books I still have two stars because the scoreboard restricts it so that people don't end up with a ridiculous number. I thought I might be allowed an extra one for films, as the person next to me on the scoring, for example, has 233 films, 140 books and four stars, but I guess it must work so that if your films exceed your books you can have more stars than if your books exceed your films. So now I have to try and get to 150 films to find out whether I would get a star for that :D I think there are 25 weeks left, so that would be watching 90 minutes per week which I think I can realistically manage. I originally wanted to complete a double challenge but that would necessitate 4.5 hours per week now and I don't think there's any way I can commit to that. Overall I've been feeling more positive about things this week though :) I've been doing Memrise on the train in the morning, and then either writing my 100 words on the train home or soon after dinner. I've been watching Budva in the final hour before I go to bed if I have time. If every day could be this organised, life would be perfect! Edited by Radioclare on 09 July 2015 at 11:59am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4581 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 271 of 292 10 July 2015 at 10:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Still going with the writing - every day feels like an achievement :) 100 words is a really good amount, because it's long enough to be a challenge but not so long as to be a burden.
This is yesterday's effort:
Serpent shouldn't read the rest of the post because there are going to be more Budva spoilers. OMG, where to start. Well, I was watching an episode of 'Budva' last night and I nearly fell off my seat because it sounded like one of the characters had used the word "Esperantist". I was convinced I had misheard, so I rewound and replayed the scene. I probably listened to it 20 times in the end to make sure I was fully understanding everything, and it turned out that I was actually correct first time; the character had said that his late uncle had been one of the country's greatest Esperantists. The character he was speaking to said "What's that got to do anything?" which I thought was quite a surprising response, because generally I would have thought that if you told someone your late uncle was an Esperantist, their response would be "What's an Esperantist?". Especially if you are a character in a TV series whose viewers might not know what Esperanto is and might benefit from an explanation. Even more strangely, Esperanto turned out to have a major role in the plot. I can't remember how much I have explained about Budva before, but it's basically a soap opera about a controversial business man called Savo. He made his money in probably less than ethical ways during the break-up of Yugoslavia and is now a millionaire, investing vast quantities of money in ugly building projects in Budva, often with complete disregard for any building regulations. He's actually a very likeable character though, and as the series progresses you get to see his softer side and feel sympathy for him when various professional rivals and drug barons try to ruin his business and/or assassinate him. The main plot of the third series has been about a mysterious lady called Mila Kovač who appeared out of the blue and has been slowly insinuating her way into his life. She caught him at a low point when his wife, who had previously played a major role managing his business, had just left him. As the series goes on, she becomes his managing director and now she's on the verge of becoming his wife. She's an ambiguous character, at some points seeming like she feels real affection for him and at other times holding a gun to his head while he sleeps. No one knows who she is or where she has come from, but every so often the viewer gets to see short scenes where she sneaks back to her family home in disguise to see her father, who seems to be extremely ill (almost in a coma) and her brother, who seems to be a bit of a psycho. It seems that she has deliberately tried to manipulate her way into Savo's life with the intention of ruining him financially and/or murdering him, in order to avenge something unspecified which happened to her father and presumably ruined his life/resulted in his present illness. It's not clear what or why, which is why I thought that scene nikolic transcribed for me the other might be critical. Anyway, upon finding out about his impending marriage, Savo's daughter Bojana decides she wants to investigate Mila's past, and conveniently has an old flame who happens to be a journalist and is willing to help her out. He is the guy whose uncle was an Esperantist, and coincidentally another character who has a grudge against Mila has given him a mysterious string of random names which he says will help him. The journalists excellent knowledge of Esperanto enables him to reveal to Bojana that she has also been using the name "Kara Forgisto" which is a direct Esperanto translation of "Mila Kovač". He believes this knowledge will help him work out her true identity, hopefully in time to stop Savo marrying her :) All in all very exciting and I have to say I was relieved that the plot didn't turn out to be that she was a crazed Esperantist trying to destroy capitalism or something like that :D 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| basica Senior Member Australia Joined 3534 days ago 157 posts - 269 votes Studies: Serbian | Message 272 of 292 10 July 2015 at 11:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Seems like your corrector incorrectly corrected you (if I've understood what you said):
Ove godine sam već pročitala četiri knjige na hrvatskom, ali svi su bile knjige prevedene na hrvatskom sa engleskog. Should be: Ove godine sam već pročitala četiri knjige na hrvatskom, ali svi su bile knjige prevedene sa engleskog na hrvatski. Your corrector it seems to have translated as from croatian to English :| Anyways, I noticed you've been going at it for over a week now, congrats! :D 1 person has voted this message useful |
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