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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 17 of 119 28 May 2007 at 3:59pm | IP Logged |
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Language wanderlust again... this time I felt like listening to spoken Swedish and that's what I've been doing for almost two hours already. just a note for myself to remember when it all started if I ever get more serious about Swedish. Edited by Serpent on 28 May 2007 at 4:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 18 of 119 13 June 2007 at 5:47pm | IP Logged |
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I'm finally through with almost all my exams now. Yay.
A couple of hours ago I started learning Esperanto. It's great. I have no feeling that I'm learning an artificial language. Perhaps that's because I'm also learning Finnish, which isn't of course so regular as Esperanto, but is still extremely regular, even the exceptions in Finnish seem logical... Oh, back to Esperanto: I'm going to try the sentence method with it. I'll use sentences from Vojaĝu kun Zam first and then let's see how it goes... By the way, I don't share the opinion that written Esperanto looks ugly. These ŭŭŭŭŭŭŭŭ's look so awesome to me! Perhaps that's because they look a bit like Russian й's (when writing messages in Russian but in Western charset I use ú for them btw:) wish I could type ŭ on my mobile phone... although that's too huge a demand for a Nokia on which you can't even choose to display the menu in Finnish :D) I'm in for total annihilation so I'm supposed to document my learning.. Yesterday I counted dilligently that I spent half an hour shadowing Assimil Finnish and about 10 hours listening to Finnish music and occasionally singing along. I guess I'll get almost the same numbers every day, so I won't do daily updates if no one minds, although of course I will write mea culpa every time I haven't done any shadowing or other learning. Well I should probably add to the numbers above that I daily read websites and forums in Finnish, yesterday was almost an exception since I spent so little time reading in Finnish that I didn't even count it. Well, I haven't counted it today either, but I'm sure it's a lot more than yesterday. Today I listened to an interview with Marko Annala from Mokoma and I'm not satisfied with my comprehension. Well, he did speak rather fast in that interview and he speaks the Eastern Finnish dialect while I understand the Western ones better but still I'm not satisfied :( Not sure how exactly I should work on my listening comprehension in Finnish... I often understand better on the second or third listening, but in real life it would be annoying if I asked everyone to repeat what they've just said all the time. Maybe it's better to go the extensive way, ie listen more and try to understand as much as I can without listening to the same fragments multiple times? And a nice way that is helping me to keep attention focused when listening/watching online TV. Well the main point is that you decide you want to catch the last word before *something*. In my case it was the beep that means that NeatImage has finished processing another photo, so I'm killing two birds with one stone: watching the news more attentively and finally adjusting the photos that I've taken in Finland and Sweden almost a year ago :D (yeah, I've been either too busy or too lazy all the time). Perhaps this tip is not new to anyone else, but I haven't seen anything like that anywhere. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 19 of 119 14 June 2007 at 10:34pm | IP Logged |
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I've been a bit lazy today - mea culpa.
Esperanto is going very nice, today I actually realized while reading a sentence that I was understanding, not translating and not just getting the gist of but really undersanding, in the same way as I understand English and Finnish without translating them into Russian. Although I'm probably still translating subconsciously. I've noticed already quite a few times that when I tried to remember the exact wording of something in Finnish, I could only say it in English just as if I had read it in English. With English this has happened only once so far and unfortunately I didn't remember it in Finnish instead, I just remembered it in Russian:( Anyway, what I know for sure that in neither of those languages I could _understand_ on the second day of learning! Even though it was just one sentence, it still feels great. I've switched to Bildoj kaj demandoj and done the first 10 lessons btw (and got 13/15 for the first test, although I made one "mistake" when I was to write the person's gender but wrote the name instead and the other one when it was almost the other way round, don't remember exactly). However I then went back to Vojaĝu kun Zam since most sentences in bildoj kaj demandoj are rather stupid, ie I can't imagine myself saying to any woman that she is a woman :) OMG, I've spent 2 hours on Esperanto today and no time yet on Finnish 0_0 (I mean learning, not using). Although perhaps listening to another interview (this time it was one with Ville Laihiala from Sentenced) can be counted as learning :/ I understood a lot more than yesterday, perhaps because I know more about Sentenced than about Mokoma :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 20 of 119 24 June 2007 at 3:18pm | IP Logged |
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Haven't done that much studying recently... birthday celebration, two concerts, two final tests at courses and graduation party during just one week... still I guess there hasn't been a single day when I didn't study any Finnish. I bought a book with some fairy tales in German and it's been nice to read it :) as for Esperanto, I'm still using the sentences method, although I have no clue where I should take the sentences from once I'm through with Vojaĝu kun Zam (I'm at lesson 14 atm)
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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6469 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 21 of 119 24 June 2007 at 3:41pm | IP Logged |
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I am glad you are giving Esperanto a try. I initially learned it out of curiosity, too, and then really fell in love with the language, particularly with the affix system that sometimes allows me to express myself better in Esperanto than in German or English.
As for sentences, try the "Ana Pana" and "Ana Renkontas" courses on Lernu, they have a lot of really useful sentences. Ana Pana is for complete beginners and Ana Renkontas builds on it. Once you have an understanding of basic Esperanto grammar, you can also just read "Gerda Malaperis". Since you appear to like music and culture for your language learning, have a look at the links to free Esperanto mp3s and the like that I posted at http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=5894 . 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6469 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 22 of 119 25 June 2007 at 12:58pm | IP Logged |
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Just another thought: you could also subscribe to the Lernu Word-a-Day newsletter. They present one word a day with explanations in Esperanto and sample sentences for each of the word's meanings.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 23 of 119 25 June 2007 at 4:04pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks for the tips. The problem is that I think at my level it's better to have the translations, as in Vojaĝu kun Zam, rather than translate the sentences myself.
I've thought of subscribing to the word-a-day newsletter, but I guess it would be too hard for me to understand explanations entirely in Esperanto :/ Well, I've just subscribed, let's see how it goes... I've done the learning styles test once more and the results seem to be more true this time...maybe this is because I was more frank when answering, at one point I was like: OMG, they're going to say I'm a visual learner while I know I'm not one! Then I decided: what if really, REALLY deep inside I am and answered exactly what I thought. So, here are the results: Reflective 7 Intuitive 11 Verbal 7 (XD) Global 3 ...and here's what I got when I did the test in October 2006: Reflective 3 Intuitive 7 Verbal 3 Sequential 3 So I probably have much stronger preferences than it seemed initially... I've finally found an interesting way to improve my listening comprehension in Finnish! I was browsing through the list of podcasts I have on my iPod and noticed one about medicine. I had to listen to some parts two or three times and eventually understood almost 100% of the podcast (there were some words that I couldn't even find in the dictionary:( that's probably the only disadvantage of listening to these podcasts instead of the news as I used to) After listening to the podcast I imagined I was at an interview for a medical school in Finland and tried to speak on the topic of that podcast. That went quite well, in general I wouldn't say I could be a good actor, but I got into the role well enough to really get nervous, as if it were a real interview :)) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 24 of 119 08 July 2007 at 2:06pm | IP Logged |
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Haven't been online for a while, I'm in Belarus now, preparing for my entrance exams. It sure would be sensible to spend less time learning Finnish, but even those 2-4 hours a day seem to be way too little time... I'm also learning English and review Esperanto every now and then. Since I don't have a computer here, I've tried learning some vocabulary using Iversen's method of word lists. I've also tried a modified version of it, ie you have to write a block of words, their translations, then some more bloks and then cover the first column and write all the words at once in the third column. Haven't checked what's the more effective way yet...
I've also noticed when studying Maths that if you can't understand something and leave it aside and then come back later, it gets clearer on its own... I wonder if there's any sense in reading textbooks/grammar books about languages you're going to learn later before actually starting to study them... although this can sure result in not being patient enough to wait until the time you've planned to start really learning the language.... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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