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Wulfgar
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07 May 2012 at 8:45am | IP Logged

Марк wrote:

Wulfgar wrote:

Regarding transcription - I wish he'd just used phonetic cyrillic in
parentheses.

молокó - мълакó?
Well, I wish you read the transcription in the New Penguin Russian Course together with
all the phonetic explanatons, we discussed it Beginning Russian Advice? in Advice Center.

Yes, something like that. Does ъ really sound like schwa, or is that the closest one can get with the existing
symbols? (My pronunciation of ъ sucks - haven't figured it out yet). Thanks for the suggestion about the other
thread.
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Message 26 of 28

07 May 2012 at 9:16am | IP Logged

Wulfgar wrote:

Марк wrote:

Wulfgar wrote:

Regarding transcription - I wish he'd
just used phonetic cyrillic in
parentheses.

Yes, something like that. Does ъ really sound like schwa, or is that the closest one
can get with the existing
symbols? (My pronunciation of ъ sucks - haven't figured it out yet). Thanks for the
suggestion about the other
thread.

No. The hard sign as well as the soft one before vowels indicates the presence of [j]
sound, so съел sounds like [sjel] (сйэл), while сел is [s'el] (с'эл). The same happens
in words like семья, чьи and even бульон (бул'йóн).
But in transription ъ is used for schwa because this letter was originally invented for
this sound and is still used for this purpose in Bulgarian (in my mind). The same is
with the soft sign: it is used for schwa after soft consonants ливень - л'ив'ьн'.
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Wulfgar
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07 May 2012 at 9:23am | IP Logged

Марк wrote:

Thanks. You should write a pronunciation guide, man. You're good at this.
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Message 28 of 28

16 May 2012 at 11:13pm | IP Logged

I agree with Wulfgar.

Марк, I must say that you provide a lot of very helpful tips and guidance for many users
here. I do not believe I have ever asked you anything directly, but I often benefit from
your help to others here.

Cheers!

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