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| furyou_gaijin Senior Member Japan Joined 6378 days ago 540 posts - 631 votes  Speaks: Latin* | Message 9 of 19 02 July 2007 at 10:48am | IP Logged |
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Google up the Russian method for touch-typing: it's called Соло на клавиатуре and is by Владимир Шахиджанян. I believe there is some software that goes with the book.
Touch-typing in the Cyrillic layout is something I learnt many years ago. This turned out to be the best investment of my time, ever. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6518 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 10 of 19 04 September 2007 at 9:21pm | IP Logged |
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I put quite a lot of time into learning to type with the 'genuine' layout, but, it is still very very slow for me. My girlfriend found it easier. A free program is 'Stamina,' you can find keyboard stickers on ebay. If you just want to use online dictionaries at home, I would say save yourself the time and just learn the phonetic. I guess you know it is common to write emails etc. in roman script faced with a roman keyboard.
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| apparition Octoglot Senior Member United States Joined 6642 days ago 600 posts - 667 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), French, Arabic (Iraqi), Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Pashto | Message 11 of 19 04 September 2007 at 9:40pm | IP Logged |
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This is interesting. I just dealt with this problem, except with the French keyboard layout (admittedly not as difficult as the Cyrillic/Russian, of course!)
I thought about buying stickers, but instead went the low-rent route. First of all, I added the French layout to my Windows computer so I can toggle back and forth between English and French (and other language layouts, but that's besides the point). French is toggle CTRL-2 So, I wrote out all the characters that were different onto a line on a piece of papar, roughly the size of the letters already on my keyboard. It was mostly punctuation--but also some very common letter keys! Then, I cut the letters out smaller than the keys themselves. I had little bits of paper everywhere. Then, I took a roll of tape and cut a long strip off, sticking one end onto the edge of my table. I cut the strip length-wise and had two thinner strips. These were perfectly sized so that, when I attached the bits of paper to them (letter-side up, into the sticky side), there was still sticky tape on each of the four sides of the paper. Then, I simply stuck these composite stickers onto the appropriate keys. It's worked so well that if I'm typing a lot between English and French, I mix up the keys and end up with words like "isnùt" because the ù key used to be my apostrophe. I don't make these mistakes when I'm consistently typing in one language, however. That would get annoying! A note, though: if you do this, you want to make sure you already touch-type proficiently in your native language or else the stickers will really confuse you! Anyways, I'm planning on doing this sort of thing with every language I can, including Russian, someday! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| TDC Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6913 days ago 261 posts - 291 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin, French Studies: Esperanto, Ukrainian, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Persian | Message 12 of 19 05 September 2007 at 4:12am | IP Logged |
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I just use translit, I figure the time I would spend on learning a new layout is best used on learning the language instead...
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| Vlad Trilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member Czechoslovakia foreverastudent.com Joined 6576 days ago 443 posts - 576 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, Hungarian*, Mandarin, EnglishC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Serbian, French Studies: Persian, Taiwanese, Romanian, Portuguese | Message 13 of 19 05 September 2007 at 4:44am | IP Logged |
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For me the absolutely best option is the phonetic layout.
After a couple of tries you'll be typing almost as fast as in your native language. I also recommend downloading a keyboard editor off download.com or anywhere else to completely adjust the layout to your needs. It is especially helpfull for the French keyboard layout. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6589 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 14 of 19 06 September 2007 at 2:01am | IP Logged |
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Well, I'm of course using the usual Russian layout, but thanks to practice I type equally quickly in Russian, English and Finnish :) The main advantage of the "traditional" one is that it allows to type Russian words quicker since letters that often appear together in words are usually near each other, just like in the English layout.
BTW, I've only now realized my father's pocket pc uses the phonetic layout - the Russian and the English layout are so separate in my mind that it looked pretty random to me :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| 24karrot Diglot Groupie United States speakingboricua.blog Joined 6376 days ago 72 posts - 74 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Russian | Message 15 of 19 06 September 2007 at 12:46pm | IP Logged |
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I'd like to add to this that if you have windows, there is a program that lets you see the keyboard on the screen. It will let you keep another window open (such as Word) while hovering over it, so you can type and see the keyboard at the same time. Just go to Programs > Accessories > Accessibility > On-Screen Keyboard.
Sometimes it may take a while to change keyboards, usually this is fixed by clicking on the window you're writing in, clicking back to the On-Screen Keyboard, then clicking back again. I don't think I would have learned the Russian and Persian keyboards without this, and I didn't have to buy any silly stickers or print anything. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| PaulGor Newbie United States RusWin.net Joined 6177 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes | Message 16 of 19 19 December 2007 at 11:30am | IP Logged |
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Just to have a summary of layout issue (this is my area of interests since 1996, so I am up-to-date will all news and have a lot of factual data from 30+ forums all over the world):
1) if a person is NOT going to go to Russia and live there for sometime, then many of such people choose Phonetic layout ("type in Russian same way you type Latin letters") - most Western Universities also recommend (and even install it in their labs) Phonetic layout, as well as AATSEEL.org - because it's MUCH easier to use for new learners: they can learn language itself instead of doing additional hard work of learning Standard Russian layout where not just all 33 letters are on the need-to-learn positions BUT all often-used punctuation marks - comma, period, semicolon,etc, are on the buttons which are different from Latin keyboard! With Phonetic layout a person who knows Latin keyboard, finds all punctuation marks on the same place while typing Russian and most of the Russian letters are on easy-to-remember places such as A-A, O-O, K-K, E-E,... Here is up-to-date instruction (includes Windows Vista as well as Linux and Mac): http://Phonetic.RusWin.net (same in Russian: http://Phon.RusWin.net ) *** The argument above that Standard Russian layout is better because it lets you type faster (most used letters are placed on your most used fingers) does NOT work outside of Russia in 99% of cases (was discussed in many forums many times): a) First, who cares - especially during Learning - about the speed??? b) Second, that is important ONLY if a person types A LOT - yes, in Russia itself it is important in the cases of a large University paper a student needs to do say in electronics or at work for technical documentation. But outside of Russian such large volumes of text happen rarely... ***************** 2) Standard Russian layout - people use it: - if they want to :) - their decision, it's fine - if they are going to go to Russia - if they know that they will type LARGE documents in Russian and the speed matters How to activate Standard Russian layout under non-Russian Windows (all versions covered) - please see in the "How to type in Russian on any keyboard" section of the instructional site http://RusWin.net :) ************************************* What to do if a person is in the situation like, "Internet-cafe in London", that is, one can not enable system keyboard tools for Russian? Unlike say 1997 when: - not so many people had their own PC - it was hard to make PCs type in Russian nowadays the situation is VERY different - the majority of people have their own computer and do use system keyboard tools to type Russian (with Standard or Phonetic layout). This is why - when such people appear in the "Internet-cafe" situation - there is NO sense anymore to go to such sites as translit.ru mentioned on page 1 of this thread - why would you want to type differently on your own computer and in the Internet-cafe (at home - with system keyboard; in cafe - using "translit combinations" like sch/shh/xhh)? It's more logical to type SAME way - using modern Virtual Cyrillic Keyboard sites which: - 100% simulate regular system keyboard input - "type as at home" - typing from physical keyboard (thoigh mouse can be used, too for 1-2 letters to input) - a person chooses there SAME keyboard layout s/he uses at home, one s/he got used to (one of 2 Standard layouts or one of popular Phonetic layouts) That is, a person sits down in an Internet cafe and starts typing at once - exactly as at home! Without the need to learn - as in translit.ru case - "correct translit combinations" and "work around for special cases" (like 'vyuchil' or 'major' or 'shodil', etc.) Here is the newest of such Virtual Keyboards (supports Russian and Ukrainian) which provides "typing as at home" (it has 2 UI variants - English and Russian): http://Kbd.RusWin.net here is the link to its Russian UI variant: http://porusski.net :-) Edited by PaulGor on 19 December 2007 at 11:47am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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