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| apparition Octoglot Senior Member United States Joined 6676 days ago 600 posts - 667 votes  Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), French, Arabic (Iraqi), Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Pashto | Message 33 of 60 29 October 2007 at 10:07am | IP Logged | |||||
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I once used SuperMemo a few years ago and I remember reading that the authors had said they considered the really innovative part of the program was the part that converted articles, etc. into an SRS-based learning tool (i.e. incremental reading), not so much the basic word-for-word memorization tool that they'd started with. I think they acknowledged that others would do that part better (and, in my opinion, they have). Edited by apparition on 30 October 2007 at 12:20am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6576 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 34 of 60 29 October 2007 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yes, they really hype up the "incremental reading" thing. Back when I was really anal about learning everything I needed to learn about sm, I tried really hard to get incremental reading to work, but failed. To this day, I have no idea how it works or what it's supposed to do.
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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6576 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 35 of 60 29 October 2007 at 9:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Ok, let me rephrase my question again. Are there any apps that don't give you a daily portion?
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| furrykef Senior Member United States furrykef.com/ Joined 6498 days ago 681 posts - 862 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Latin, Italian | Message 36 of 60 30 October 2007 at 12:07am | IP Logged | |||||
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After fiddling with it, I'd figured out how incremental reading works... but I hate it and I don't think it's particularly helpful for language learning. I tried it on a couple of articles and I usually ended up just skipping them when they popped up in my repetitions because I wasn't in the mood. It could be a good idea for an article that's packed full of information you want to memorize, but I generally don't read things online to memorize them, or even parts of them... I just read for the fun of it, and to expand my knowledge without burdening myself with remembering all of it.
The basic idea of incremental reading is this: you import an article from the web. It will become a topic and it will occasionally show up during repetitions. When it does, you stop and you read a bit of the article. You can tell which parts you've previously extracted before because they'll be highlighted. Then you find an interesting item you haven't extracted and you extract it into a separate item. Then you take that item and you finally refine it to a standard question and answer card, often but not always by using cloze deletion. You might just extract several items for the moment and stop reading, leaving the rest of the article for the next time the topic pops up in your repetition schedule. In this way you gradually put the contents of an article into Q/A format over a series of repetitions, rather than doing it all at once. It's a nice idea... I just don't have much use for it. - Kef 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| gidler Senior Member Finland Joined 6649 days ago 109 posts - 118 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Finnish* | Message 37 of 60 30 October 2007 at 4:16am | IP Logged | |||||
I wouldn't count on that ever happening. I have managed to import a SuperMemo deck to Mnemosyne, but that involved writing lots of code and banging my head against a wall. In case someone wants to try it, I recommend starting by doing an XML export in SuperMemo (but be prepared to parse HTML so malformed it hurts your eyes). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| gidler Senior Member Finland Joined 6649 days ago 109 posts - 118 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Finnish* | Message 38 of 60 30 October 2007 at 4:17am | IP Logged | |||||
How would a spaced repetition application work if not by doing that? :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6701 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 39 of 60 30 October 2007 at 9:20am | IP Logged | |||||
"Incremental reading" is the unique feature that seems interesting in Supermemo, but difficult to understand reading their chaotic website. It's possible to use to learning languages indirectly. Maybe you can look for articles in your target language and you can try to memorize them with supermemo. The goal will be the information and not learning the language, so that it will be a side effect. On the other hand, as far as I know this goal can be achieved with other software (mnemosyne, Anki and so on). Read articles about information you need and transform the important parts into question/aswer format. You can use any flash card software afterwards. I am not sure about the supermemo advantage. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6576 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 40 of 60 30 October 2007 at 9:41am | IP Logged | |||||
I don't know, but I've heard of at least one (private) app that does it. Does anki give a daily portion? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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