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slucido
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 Message 73 of 94
16 January 2008 at 1:50pm | IP Logged 
I am not sure what you are talking about.
What I am using is this chart from time to time :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/multimedia /pron/chart/chart.shtml

The phonemic alphabet with its sounds.

It isn't necessary to be a genius to understand this and very useful.

Edited by slucido on 16 January 2008 at 1:52pm

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 Message 74 of 94
16 January 2008 at 1:51pm | IP Logged 
edwin wrote:
In your example, after I learn how to pronounce 'th' by putting my tongue between my teeth, shape my mouth correctly, blow in the correct amount of air, and vibrate my vocal cord at the right time, I will know it thereafter. I don't need to know what 'theta' in IPA is. Correct?


It depends on the individual.
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 Message 75 of 94
16 January 2008 at 2:04pm | IP Logged 
slucido wrote:
I am not sure what you are talking about.
What I am using is this chart from time to time :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/multimedia /pron/chart/chart.shtml

The phonemic alphabet with its sounds.

It isn't necessary to be a genius to understand this and very useful.


She was drawing this diagram:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/IPA_vowel_char t_2005.png

Take away all the IPA symbols, point to anywhere in the chart, and I would have some idea what it sounds like. The symbols are just there to confuse me.
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CaitO'Ceallaigh
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 Message 76 of 94
16 January 2008 at 2:09pm | IP Logged 
Edwin, you've made your point very clear that you have no use for the IPA. Is there a point beyond this that we are missing?
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 Message 77 of 94
16 January 2008 at 2:13pm | IP Logged 
Look Edwin, you're just as bad as Zhuangzi. There's no absolute harm in not knowing IPA. At the same time there's no absolute harm in knowing it. It's not a one-size-fits-all proposition. Just because you, Zhuangzi and others didn't find it to be useful, it doesn't mean that everyone else will also share your experience and thus agree with your criticism of it.
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 Message 78 of 94
16 January 2008 at 2:18pm | IP Logged 
edwin wrote:
slucido wrote:
I am not sure what you are talking about.
What I am using is this chart from time to time :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/multimedia /pron/chart/chart.shtml

The phonemic alphabet with its sounds.

It isn't necessary to be a genius to understand this and very useful.


She was drawing this diagram:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/IPA_vowel_char t_2005.png

Take away all the IPA symbols, point to anywhere in the chart, and I would have some idea what it sounds like. The symbols are just there to confuse me.


Maybe to confuse you, but not to me.
The symbols are very useful for me.

Why?

Because with a few repetitions a know automatically how the phoneme sounds
and , when I read this symbols in a word representations, I know automatically the sound.

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 Message 79 of 94
16 January 2008 at 2:20pm | IP Logged 
CaitO'Ceallaigh wrote:
Edwin, you've made your point very clear that you have no use for the IPA. Is there a point beyond this that we are missing?


I did not say that IPA is of no use to me. My point is that it is an overkill for a typical language learner.

A few forum members responsed with things like, "part of it is useful to us". In other words, they agree that it is an overkill.

However, some forum member tries to attack me verbally, saying that I am as bad as somebody else. Should I report this to the administrators?

Edited by edwin on 16 January 2008 at 2:23pm

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 Message 80 of 94
16 January 2008 at 2:25pm | IP Logged 
edwin wrote:
CaitO'Ceallaigh wrote:
Edwin, you've made your point very clear that you have no use for the IPA. Is there a point beyond this that we are missing?


I did not say that IPA is of no use to me. My point is that it is an overkill for a typical language learner.

A few forum members responses with things like, "part of it is useful to us". In other words, they agree that it is an overkill.

However, some other forum members try to attack me verbally, saying that I am as bas as somebody else. Should I report this to the administrators?


The IPA may or not be overkill, but your posts sure are!


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