JS-1 Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 5983 days ago 144 posts - 166 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), German, Japanese, Ancient Egyptian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 17 of 29 27 June 2009 at 9:35am | IP Logged |
In any language, and with the most efficient learning techniques, you're going to be
better after ten years of study than after three years, so it really just depends on how
high you set your standards. Is there a language in which you couldn't keep improving for
ten years?
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Rmss Triglot Senior Member Spain spanish-only.coRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6564 days ago 234 posts - 248 votes 3 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, English, Spanish Studies: Portuguese
| Message 18 of 29 27 June 2009 at 10:48am | IP Logged |
@JS-1
True, true. I'm even still improving my native tongue! Still, claiming that you need 10 years to feel good using the language sounds a bit awkward to me.
Sure, it's possible dabbing with a language for 10 years, but that only shows that 1) you're using ineffecient technique or 2) you don't put in enough time (which can also be tracked back to point 1).
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cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5838 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 19 of 29 28 June 2009 at 1:11am | IP Logged |
Korean learners / speakers, can I ask exactly why Korean is so difficult? Is it grammar, expressions or what is it?
I really like the way Korean sounds and the alphabet is cool!
Here is what it sounds like to me (was there not so long ago):
blah, blah, blah sumi-DAH!
blah, blah, blah hami-DAH!
sumi-KAH!
etc :-)
Why is it said to be harder than Japanese? I thought there were many similarities...?
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pmiller Account terminated Groupie Canada Joined 5674 days ago 99 posts - 104 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 20 of 29 28 June 2009 at 1:54am | IP Logged |
cordelia0507 wrote:
Here is what it sounds like to me (was there not so long ago):
blah, blah, blah sumi-DAH!
blah, blah, blah hami-DAH!
sumi-KAH!
etc :-)
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LOL - That's about right!
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andee Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 7077 days ago 681 posts - 724 votes 3 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Korean, French
| Message 21 of 29 28 June 2009 at 7:18am | IP Logged |
cordelia0507 wrote:
Korean learners / speakers, can I ask exactly why Korean is so difficult? Is it grammar, expressions or what is it? |
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The major issue is in my opinion is that Koreans aren't fully used to people learning their language as yet. So speed of speech is full pace and vocabulary usage doesn't change to a simpler form. This is great when you have a grounding and can appreciate being exposed to natural speed and natural usage, but as a raw beginner this is really disheartening for many.
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cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5838 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 22 of 29 28 June 2009 at 11:02pm | IP Logged |
Andee - thanks for explaining.
I had thought that some extremely complex grammar, or complicated speech patterns were the explanation...
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qklilx Moderator United States Joined 6186 days ago 459 posts - 477 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean Personal Language Map
| Message 23 of 29 28 June 2009 at 11:31pm | IP Logged |
Yeah it's true that in the beginning your listening skills will be far below what's needed in the country, but that's only because, yes, Koreans typically do not slow down. I thought the most difficult thing for me was making my mouth form the shapes necessary for making all the sounds and combining them into sentences. You have to slow down for that. And yet for many English speakers the most difficult thing is the syntax and particles. So it really depends on where you stand.
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