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| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4848 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 137 of 162 06 July 2012 at 7:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
By 1631 you presumably mean 1531? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4832 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 138 of 162 06 July 2012 at 11:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I thought that's exactly what we had been doing. Perhaps I've missed something. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4832 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 139 of 162 06 July 2012 at 11:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
1960s, as a result of the 2nd Vatican Council. At least, that was the effect in England, and I think it would have been the same in Ireland. However, I didn't challenge the original statement about this, as I assumed it referred to things like the sermon, which would not have been in Latin, but (presumably) Irish originally, and English when Irish became a threatened Language. Edited by montmorency on 06 July 2012 at 11:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5569 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 140 of 162 07 July 2012 at 10:31am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thanks for that - and I want to clarify that I am not suggesting that the English did
not actively discriminate against the speaking of Irish at points in the sorry relationship between the two countries. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6707 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 141 of 162 08 July 2012 at 7:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I certainly do. Besides I mentioned Henry VIII because he apparently turned the tide towards more English involvement there AND more English immigration. But I'm aware that this was a gradual process, and also that the Irish language was spoken by a majority until somewhere around 1800 - but not by the ruling classes. There are cases where a language has survived even though the ruling classes spoke something totally different (like Lithuanian), but banning a language in the schools and in the administration is a powerful weapon. Well, history is history, and now most Irish speak English as their mother tongue, leaving the old language as way people there can show their interest in the history of their native soil. If people of today should feel guilty or angry about history then life would be a hell. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| decamillisjacob Newbie Canada Joined 4736 days ago 38 posts - 63 votes | Message 142 of 162 09 July 2012 at 12:12am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Are there any Irish speakers left who speak little to no English?
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5338 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 143 of 162 09 July 2012 at 12:35am | IP Logged | ||||||||
If we had, why would anyone ask that it be closed? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6913 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 144 of 162 09 July 2012 at 12:45am | IP Logged | ||||||||
According to Wikipedia: "Complete or functional monolingualism of Irish is now restricted to a handful of the elderly in isolated regions and some children under school age." Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 09 July 2012 at 1:09am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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