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| WANNABEAFREAK Diglot Senior Member Hong Kong cantonese.hk Joined 6827 days ago 144 posts - 185 votes  1 sounds Speaks: English*, Cantonese Studies: French | Message 1 of 11 15 April 2010 at 3:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm wondering is it possible for an educated native speaker to fail a C1 or C2 test if they tried to pass?
I saw some of the questions on my wife's IELTS test and it was so simple I swear I could have got nearly 100%. Even though my wife lived in Australia for 6 years, understands and speaks 'fairly' fluent English, she sounds far from near-native and only scored 7.0. Does the test actually mean anything if a native took it? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5381 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 2 of 11 15 April 2010 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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If it "means anything if a native took it"?
What do you mean? It seems improbable that an educated native speakers would fail C2, let alone C1. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6034 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds | Message 3 of 11 15 April 2010 at 4:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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An educated native probably not, but an "uneducated" one could fail miserably. It also depends on the particular test. Edited by Sennin on 15 April 2010 at 4:31pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| noriyuki_nomura Bilingual Octoglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 5340 days ago 304 posts - 465 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Japanese, FrenchC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, SpanishB2, DutchB1 Studies: TurkishA1, Korean | Message 4 of 11 15 April 2010 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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I agree with Sennin - an educated native would not fail the exam, but an uneducated native could. From my personal experience, one might not possess as wide a range of vocabulary as a native speaker, but as long as one can make the language alive by speaking the language relatively 'fluently' and 'correctly' using the amount of vocabulary one possesses, I think he/she should be able to pass a C2 level exam.
That said, DALF C2, on the other hand, seems to require a higher degree of skill, ie. the mere ability to speak the language is not sufficient, but you are also expected to follow current affairs related to France. Likewise for the DFP Affaires C1 exam (CCIP) which I did in January this year, I certainly think that the standard is equivalent to that of a ZOP C2 exam. Imagine discussing/debating with the jury on how inflation affects the world economy and unemployment rates, and the impact of different labor market policies (practised in France and my country) have on the job market. ; Edited by noriyuki_nomura on 15 April 2010 at 4:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| elvisrules Tetraglot Senior Member BelgiumRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5469 days ago 286 posts - 390 votes Speaks: French, English*, Dutch, Flemish Studies: Lowland Scots, Japanese, German | Message 5 of 11 15 April 2010 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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According to a Dutch governmental website, most Netherlanders have a B2 level of Dutch.
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| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5832 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 6 of 11 15 April 2010 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | ||
That's interesting. Do you have the link to that site? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tpark Tetraglot Pro Member Canada Joined 7046 days ago 118 posts - 127 votes Speaks: English*, German, Dutch, French Personal Language Map | Message 7 of 11 15 April 2010 at 9:34pm | IP Logged | ||
I can see how that would be possible. They might mean "at least" a B2 level, with the implication that most people can use Dutch at a B2 level. I wonder what the situation is in Canada with the English language? Educated native speakers can certainly work at a C2 level, but there are a great many individuals with limited education who would be unable to use English in an advanced manner. The situation may be similar in The Netherlands, where you have an relatively well educated population, but not everyone has fully mastered the language. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gatsby Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6162 days ago 57 posts - 129 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Dutch | Message 8 of 11 16 April 2010 at 9:52pm | IP Logged | ||
I'm afraid I couldn't discuss the topics in the last paragraph even in my native English (and I have an advanced degree in the language). Edited by Gatsby on 16 April 2010 at 9:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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