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| OLeão Bilingual Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5337 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Portuguese | Message 1 of 20 16 April 2010 at 2:05am | IP Logged | ||
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My name is Adrian, I'm from California. This is my first post on this forum, and I'm glad to be here!
This question is for Romance experts. As a speaker of Spanish and Portuguese, I have learned the correspondence between words in both. Let me explain: Spanish suffix -on corresponds with Portuguese -ão; -ales becomes -ais Acción ----> Ação Generales ---> Gerais. There are others, but you get the idea. My question is if these "formulas" (so to speak) occur in Spanish/Italian, Portuguese/Italian. Thank you in advance to anyone who can answer. Muito obrigado! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Alejeather Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5339 days ago 9 posts - 13 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian | Message 2 of 20 16 April 2010 at 2:30am | IP Logged | ||
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I am by no means an expert, but I've certainly seen correspondence between noun endings
of a certain type between Spanish and Italian. The first one that comes to mind is -dad, -tad --> -tà. For example: ciudad -- città libertad -- libertà universidad -- università and so on. Additionally, words ending in -ción in Spanish tend to end in -zione in Italian, such as: organización -- organizzazione educación -- educazione but I can think of one exception off the top of my head (salvación -- salvezza). These two endings seem mutually transparent to me, though, so I don't know if you were looking for more veiled correspondences between the two languages. Anyway, hope that helps get you started! 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| NativeLanguage Octoglot Groupie United States nativlang.com Joined 5339 days ago 52 posts - 110 votes  Speaks: French, Spanish, English*, Italian, Latin, Ancient Greek, Portuguese, Catalan Studies: Japanese, Mayan languages, Irish | Message 3 of 20 16 April 2010 at 2:31am | IP Logged | ||
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>>My question is if these "formulas" (so to speak) occur in Spanish/Italian, Portuguese/Italian.<<
The same types of formulas do exist (though, of course, with different endings). Spanish, Italian, Portuguese (and French, Catalan, Romanian, etc) are all Romance languages - children of Latin, so to speak. What you are seeing is the way each region changed the same endings in Latin. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| OLeão Bilingual Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5337 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Portuguese | Message 4 of 20 16 April 2010 at 2:38am | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you both for your speedy responses. Estoy agradecido!
Alejeather, that definitely does help get me started. I figured beginning with the similarities was a good plan! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| NativeLanguage Octoglot Groupie United States nativlang.com Joined 5339 days ago 52 posts - 110 votes Speaks: French, Spanish, English*, Italian, Latin, Ancient Greek, Portuguese, Catalan Studies: Japanese, Mayan languages, Irish | Message 5 of 20 16 April 2010 at 4:34am | IP Logged | ||
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I have a chart on my site that compares the cognates of the Romance languages.
It may be helpful to you to see it altogether in a single chart. http://nativlang.com/po/rexample.htm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| goosefrabbas Triglot Pro Member United States Joined 6369 days ago 393 posts - 475 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: German, Italian Personal Language Map | Message 6 of 20 16 April 2010 at 4:51am | IP Logged | ||
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This should help as well.
http://www.orbilat.com/Linguistics_Comparative/index.html 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| alang Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7222 days ago 563 posts - 757 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 7 of 20 16 April 2010 at 9:25am | IP Logged | ||
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A great book with these type of patterns between English and Spanish is "The Magic Key to Spanish" by Margarita Madrigal. There is also one for French and German. Anyway on to the topic. I am aware of some words that end in -ción in Spanish are similar to words in French like English words that end in -tion. Of course the example from Alejeather from Italian. There are some patterns from Spanish to Portuguese right here. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| FuroraCeltica Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6866 days ago 1187 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 8 of 20 16 April 2010 at 10:33am | IP Logged | ||
Good post. I think it is really useful when we can spot these kind of patterns 1 person has voted this message useful |
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