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| bertlanguage Newbie United States Joined 5331 days ago 18 posts - 22 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 1 of 10 11 May 2010 at 7:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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For those of you who made it to the Active Phase with Assimil French, did you have difficulty with spelling and punctuation? It makes sense that because you are not supposed to write anything down, you will have trouble with the accents, etc. once you starting translating Eng-Fr in the Active phase.
In school we learn to spell and use punctuation by reading and writing words and sentences in exercises, essays, reports, etc. Is part of the Active phase doing this same kind of activity? Learning to "write" down and punctuate words and sentences, making mistakes, correcting those mistakes, and writing them again? Thank you for any replies. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| GREGORG4000 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5521 days ago 307 posts - 479 votes  Speaks: English*, Finnish Studies: Japanese, Korean, Amharic, French | Message 2 of 10 11 May 2010 at 7:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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I dunno - with German I've pretty much just reviewed the lessons instead of trying to translate them in the active phase, since so many of the lessons have little idioms or vocabulary not repeated again. I'm using instead a Michel Thomas course and other exercises for that type of practice.
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| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7101 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 3 of 10 11 May 2010 at 9:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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Who says you're not supposed to write anything down?
I do dictation exercises with Assimil - i.e. listen to the audio and type in what I'm hearing. It's great practice for improving your writing/spelling/punctuation. I've done it for French, German, Italian and Spanish - and I plan on doing it for Dutch as soon as the course turns up. Andy. Edit: ...and I don't bother waiting for the Active Phase either. Edited by Andy E on 11 May 2010 at 9:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| josht Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6444 days ago 635 posts - 857 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Spanish, Russian, Dutch | Message 4 of 10 11 May 2010 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | ||
While I agree that writing out the lessons is quite beneficial, in answer to your question, Assimil themselves often say not to write anything down, especially during the passive phase. Of course, the instructions included in Assimil courses vary from one to the next (Dutch having the most extensive instructions I've seen yet). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7101 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 5 of 10 11 May 2010 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | ||
Are they, in fact, that specific? There is, of course, plenty of emphasis on the simplicity of listening and repeating. However, I've checked Using Spanish, Spanish with Ease and New French with Ease so far (the first three on my shelf) and I can find no such prohibition on writing. As my Dutch book hasn't arrived yet, what does it have to say on the matter? Andy. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| josht Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6444 days ago 635 posts - 857 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Spanish, Russian, Dutch | Message 6 of 10 12 May 2010 at 3:21am | IP Logged | ||
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Here are the instructions for using Dutch with Ease if you have the recordings:
1. Listen to the text with the book closed. It does not matter if you do not understand what is said. You will gain a general impression of the sounds, hearing the pronunciation without being influenced by the spelling. 2. Listen to the recording a second time while looking at the English translation. 3. Read the Dutch text aloud (with the aid of the phonetic transcription if necessary). Be sure you understand the meaning of each sentence, comparing it with the translation as required. 4. Now read the Dutch text again, but this time without looking at the translation. 5. Listen to the recording twice, once while looking at the English translation, and once while looking at the Dutch text. 6. Listen to the recording again with the book closed. At this point you should understand what is being said. 7. Listen to the recording once more. Stop the machine after each sentence, and try to repeat it aloud. 8. Carefully read the comments several times. Examine the Dutch sentences being explained. These notes are very important. 9. Read the exercises. Repeat each sentence several times. The exercises review material from the current lesson and from preceding lessons. If you have forgotten certain words, consult the English translation. 10. Examine the examples of sentence structure. They show how words and phrases are combined in Dutch, which is not always the same as in English. That's pretty clear, isn't it? As for the instructions in New French with Ease, it doesn't "prohibit" writing, but the instructions say for the passive wave, you'll just be listening, reading, and understanding. While I agree with you that writing the lessons out is quite helpful, I fail to see how you could take such instructions and think they want / expect users to write the stuff out. Edited by josht on 12 May 2010 at 3:30am 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7101 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 7 of 10 12 May 2010 at 7:35am | IP Logged | ||
I didn't say Assimil had explicitly instructed me to write out the dialogs. What I asked bertlanguage was, who had said he couldn't. What I also said was that I used this method to improve my L2 writing, spelling and punctuation and it was offered to bertlanguage as just that. If you do a search on these forums for the "Scriptorium" method you'll find a good amount of writing out Assimil (and probably other courses as well) dialogs is occurring. In addition, Assimil don't explicitly mention "shadowing" but nor they prohibit it either. Edit: I wonder why none of the other courses contain such clear instructions as the Dutch one? Edited by Andy E on 12 May 2010 at 8:06am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| josht Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6444 days ago 635 posts - 857 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Spanish, Russian, Dutch | Message 8 of 10 12 May 2010 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | ||
I've wondered the same thing. They're very clear, and there is actually a separate set of detailed instructions for using the book without the audio. In comparison, the instructions for French, Spanish, and Russian are extremely sparse. I find it doubly odd, considering Dutch is probably one of their less popular courses. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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