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| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5278 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes  Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 1 of 89 22 June 2010 at 3:31am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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If my native language is English and I am trying to learn Spanish:
As I understand it, the steps are: 1.) Read the text in English. Question: The entire text or just the text that will be read/listened to that day? 2.) Listen to the Spanish audiotext while reading the Spanish text. 3.) Listen to the Spanish while reading the English (the key phase). 4.) Listen to the Spanish and repeat after it to practice pronunciation. 5.) Translate the English text into Spanish. My main question is, how many hours a day are necessary (I could not commit more than 2 on a daily basis), and how well does this method tolerate gaps of, e.g. 1 or 2 days. A secondary question: how important is it to "get down" the text before moving on? For example, if I'm doing Don Quixote, is it better to go through each chapter once and then redo the entire book at the end, or redo chapter by chapter until it's "firmly" assimilated? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Journeyer Triglot Senior Member United States tristan85.blogspot.c Joined 6873 days ago 946 posts - 1110 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German Studies: Sign Language | Message 2 of 89 22 June 2010 at 2:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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As I understand it, you just need to be familiar with the story before you use LR. You don't need to have it memorized or anything.
I can't answer the question about gaps, since I haven't tried LR yet. However, it's not a question of doing LR in one or two days. Many people wouldn't have that kind of tolerance or time and besides, don't kid yourself into thinking you can learn a language in a couple of days. The LR process can last several days for a single book. The suggestion was to listen to LR the book at least 3 times, but it would LRing it in sections, not, like one paragraph three times before moving onto the next one. To your 1), Read the entire text, but I think for when you are going to use LR on a section, you don't need to read that section in your native language that day unless you want to. You just need to be familiar with the story. Besides, you will be reading it in your L1 while listening to it in your L2. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6444 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 3 of 89 22 June 2010 at 6:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It is of course up to you, but I would say "do not do it." L-R is a technique for quickly and intensively learning. Take away the intensity and it is mediocre. Consider using Assimil instead. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5278 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 4 of 89 23 June 2010 at 1:59am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Realistically, how could anyone who is full time employed manage the time to do this? It sounds like even 4 hrs is not enough and we are talking about 10+ hours here... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| RedBeard Senior Member United States atariage.com Joined 6107 days ago 126 posts - 182 votes Speaks: Ancient Greek* Studies: French, German | Message 5 of 89 23 June 2010 at 4:59am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I've been think about this a lot. (Apparently I'm not alone...) Seems to me that you need to wait for a three day weekend. Over the previous week, make sure all of the "normal" things are finished. Laudry done. Groceries bought. Lawn mowed. And your Base-Language initial read through-do that, too. Then treat the three days as if they were 10 hour "work" days where WORK=LR_LANGUAGE_LEARNING. Thats the thirty hours that I think was recommended for the plan. From the original post: "I found out from my own experience and a few hundreds people studying on their own: To get to the stage of NATURAL listening you have to do about 20 to 30 hours of 'listening-reading' to NEW TEXTS..." So if you use the three days to get past the initial phase, then perhaps you could just continue for 1 -or- 2 -or- 3 hour sessions over the next couple of weeks to cement the language in your mind. I recall that you're supposed to transcribe/translate, etc. - maybe those parts can be in these smaller time blocks. Edited by RedBeard on 23 June 2010 at 5:01am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6444 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 6 of 89 23 June 2010 at 11:10am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Full time employment and really intensive activities can be mutually exclusive to some degree. Redbeard's suggestion is interesting, and perhaps useful for closely related languages. I find I need a bit more time than that, and can't manage 10 hours of L-R a day, but Teango did manage to peak at about 10 hours a day. Other than that, European countries tend to have quite a lot of vacation days (US employees tend to have less); a long weekend plus a couple of vacation days could go a long way. Edited by Volte on 23 June 2010 at 11:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Journeyer Triglot Senior Member United States tristan85.blogspot.c Joined 6873 days ago 946 posts - 1110 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German Studies: Sign Language | Message 7 of 89 23 June 2010 at 5:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Yeah I was wondering about that, too. Fortunately for me I have a lot of spare time at the moment so I can give this a shot.
I was a little surprised to see your view on this, Volte. I recall reading that you could only go a few hours at a time, correct? After a break could you go again? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6444 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 8 of 89 23 June 2010 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I peak under 7 hours a day, thus far, and can't sustain that for multiple days. I can do other intensive mental activity more than that, so I'm not quite sure why; picking stories I like better may help. That's including breaks. After a couple of hours, I tend to need at least a minimal break (for instance, to get another glass of water). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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