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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes  Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 161 of 407 17 August 2011 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | ||
Have you given it a try yet? Please let me know how it goes! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5648 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 162 of 407 17 August 2011 at 8:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'll have to get back to you in a month or so. I did try it earlier and it is really tough so I am struggling to put more than 3-4 sentences together about one topic off the top of my head. But I do have confidence that if I keep working on it every day it will get better. I'll probably have to start writing and thinking more in my L2 to make it easier too.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 163 of 407 17 August 2011 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | ||
Do let me know; I hope there are ways to make the exercise better. If you use a TV show as a starting point, I'm sure you'll come up with a lot more than just 3 or 4 sentences if you attempt to describe the entire show from beginning to end. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5648 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 164 of 407 17 August 2011 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, I got 3-4 sentences from describing a short scene from the Kdrama I'm watching. My problem is that I have a huge gap between passive and active knowledge. I will keep using it and give feedback in ways I think it could be improved.
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| nickuk Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4856 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 165 of 407 18 August 2011 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hello Arekkusu and thanks for this very informative blog. I'm heading to university in September and I want to learn
Japanese, although I have no language learning experience of any note. I wondered, on average, how many hours you studied Japanese during the first two years of your studies. When I leave university in three years time, I'd be chuffed if I was at the C1 level that you were at at the start of this blog. My initial guess is that is over-optimistic but if you don't try you'll never know, right? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 166 of 407 18 August 2011 at 1:39pm | IP Logged | ||
Hi! I never kept track of how much I study, but I understand these two main factors: 1) I only study in short bouts of 15-30 minutes at most, except when I watch TV or meet partners, and 2) I spend more time thinking in the language and playing with in my head than I do sitting down and actually studying. In terms of formal studying, I probably did less hours than most sites suggest for each stage (A1, etc.), but because of the way I learn, I probably spent many more hours. Whereas most students worry about input, I care more about output and controlling what I already know. As far as I can tell, self-talk and focus on oral is the most efficient way to reach fluency. However, while this comes naturally to me, I'm not sure whether it's sometimes hard for some people to follow such a method because it's against their genetic makeup or if it's just because they lack practice. Without wanting to sound presumptuous, I'm not sure how realistic it would be to expect C1 in 2 years. For one thing, Japanese was not my first L2, far from it, so I had a very clear vision or where I was going and what mattered in my studies. However, I do believe that with proper focus on oral, if you always make sure to try to express your mind and learn the skills that you appear to be lacking when talking (grammar, vocab, etc.) -- in other words, if you use the language a lot and you pay attention to where your needs and weaknesses are --, you should see steady progress above that of your classmates. Note that I'm not guaranteeing good marks, but only a faster path to fluency. Sometimes, classes have a bad habit of putting a lot of focus on things that really don't matter that much (kanji, counters, etc.). One last thing: don't wait for the class to start -- go get a book or listen to a podcast (like japanesepod101) and get started now. Today. And don't forget to have fun! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nickuk Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4856 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 167 of 407 18 August 2011 at 2:15pm | IP Logged | ||
Thanks for the reply. I'm studying business management at university so learning Japanese will be a hobby, and one that I'll have to make a fair amount of time for. Granted, I will have a lot of free time as a student. I actually meant that I'd like to be at the C1 level in three years time. However, I've just read about the respective levels in more detail and I think that I should revise the target to B2, which I'd still be very pleased with! There's a Japanese society at my future university in London which will hopefully give me the opportunity to practice on a regular basis, though I'm already going through Tae Kim's grammar guide and japanesepod101. Thanks for the advice, I'll certainly try both an input and output focused approach and see which would suit me better (and which I enjoy more). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 168 of 407 19 August 2011 at 8:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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A gentleman by the name of Petr Dvořák has interviewed me and a few other polyglots, including Sprachprofi, and posted the interviews on his website. Some of them are in Czech only, but mine is in English (at least for now until he translates it). It can be found here.
Those questions are quite subjective and I feel like I might have answered differently on a different day. Feel free to leave comments here or on his site should you have any. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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