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| Cesare M. Senior Member Canada youtube.com/user/CheRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5010 days ago 99 posts - 135 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 1 of 39 02 October 2010 at 12:45am | IP Logged | |||||
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I dont know about you guys but I define fluent as in this: knowing a lot of the language and/or being able to
converse about a variety of subjects in the language. Let me know what you think fluent is. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6279 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 2 of 39 02 October 2010 at 12:55am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've just started a related thread on language competence.
Knowing a lot about the language is entirely different from fluency. Reading a reference grammar and retaining a fair amount of its contents will have you know a lot of a language, but you're likely to be unable to ask for a cup of coffee, discuss the weather, or otherwise use the language. Being able to converse, fluidly, spontaneously, and interactively, about most/all subjects you can in your native language implies fluency. 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 5982 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 3 of 39 02 October 2010 at 1:12am | IP Logged | |||||
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Everyone has their own individual definitions of what fluency means of course, but there are usually patterns to what fluent speaker of a language should be able to do. If you'd like a nice listing of some different levels of proficiency which is widely referenced around here, it's called the Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (or just CEFR).
I would usually say that basic fluency is around B2 on that scale and advanced fluency is around C1-C2. C2 is somewhat near the level of a native, but can vary a lot depending on the person and the language. For example, I have seen a couple users on here with English C2 certificates who I would still not consider as having near-native or even advanced fluency. Native fluency is usually considered to be higher than all of these levels. Edited by ellasevia on 02 October 2010 at 2:10am 7 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| fireflies Senior Member Joined 5021 days ago 172 posts - 234 votes Speaks: English* | Message 4 of 39 02 October 2010 at 4:21am | IP Logged | |||||
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N/a Edited by fireflies on 02 October 2010 at 9:02pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6543 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 5 of 39 02 October 2010 at 9:26am | IP Logged | |||||
I personally find discussions about rocket technology and advanced anatomy and physiology both easier and more entertaining than small talk. One reason is that the amount of 'international' (i.e. Latin, Greek and English) words is higher in the more technical areas. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| maydayayday Pentaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5059 days ago 564 posts - 839 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, SpanishB2, FrenchB2 Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), Russian, Swedish, Turkish, Polish, Persian, Vietnamese Studies: Urdu | Message 6 of 39 02 October 2010 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
Well said. The number of times when on trips the conversation smalltalk moves towards football/soccer. Sport is a subject I can't even discuss in my own language! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cesare M. Senior Member Canada youtube.com/user/CheRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5010 days ago 99 posts - 135 votes Speaks: English* | Message 7 of 39 02 October 2010 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes finally someone agrees with me. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6279 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 8 of 39 02 October 2010 at 2:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
Not really. None of your languages, other than English, seem to have 'a minimum of errors' - based on the ones I can evaluate or have seen evaluations for, at least. A solid start is to be commended. It also tends to imply making mistakes; this is natural, and not grounds for criticism. Claiming that a solid start is actually a significantly higher level tends to elicit more critical responses. You clearly have a passion for languages. You have clearly learned some things. Accurately assessing where you are and indicating this accurately would probably be worth your time, though. 5 persons have voted this message useful |
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