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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5175 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes  Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi | Message 1 of 19 04 December 2010 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Was the term "shadowing" coine on this forum?
I was browsing some language dvertisements in Japanese and I saw this term mentioned. That means it has spred so far? Or it is just thing known all over the world? Wikipedia article doesn't say much about it. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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I first heard Professor Arguelles mentioning it here on the forum. To me, "shadowing" explains pretty well what is being done. I wonder if the term is used in other fields than language learning, and even outside this forum. Maybe he came up with the term, who knows.
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This is the first link that came up when I googled for it: http://learnanylanguage.wikia.com/wiki/Shadowing He developed the technique. R. == 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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The act of "shadowing" can mean a lot of things outside language learning, ranging from following someone secretly or accompanying a work colleague, to using RAM to increase computational speed and shading drawings. These are just a few examples.
Similar to jeff_lindqvist, the first time I heard the term "shadowing" used for language learning was when I watched some videos by Professor Arguelles a while back (most likely on YouTube at the time). I'd heard of "chorusing" and "listening and repeating with the text" before, but not "shadowing". This prompted me to look into the technique a bit further and I quickly discovered something similar called "speech shadowing" (or more specifically "close shadowing") which was reportedly "first used as a research technique by the Leningrad Group led by Ludmilla Andreevna Chistovich in the late '50s" [source: Wikipedia, Speech Shadowing]. Additional note: I've only just ironically discovered now that one of my former bosses was a leading researcher on speech shadowing amongst other things. Small world! :) Edited by Teango on 05 December 2010 at 5:30am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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For anyone interested in the academic side of things, here's an abstract taken from an interesting paper on shadowing and speech comprehension:
"Pioneering research by Chistovich and her colleagues used speech shadowing to study the mechanisms of immediate speech processing, and in doing so exploited the phenomenon of close shadowing, where the delay between hearing a speech stimulus and repeating it is reduced to 250 msec or less. The research summarised here began with an extension of Chistovich's findings to the close shadowing of connected prose. Twenty-five percent of the women tested were able to accurately shadow connected prose at mean delays ranging from 250 to 300 msec. The other women, and all the men tested, were only able to do so at longer latencies, averaging over 500 msec. There are called distant shadowers. A second series of experiments established that close, just as much as distant shadowers, were syntactically and semantically analysing the material as they repeated it. This was reflected in the ways their spontaneous errors were constrained, and in their sensitivity to disruptions of the syntactic and semantic structure of the materials they were shadowing. A third series of experiments showed that the difference between close and distant shadowers was in their output strategy. Close shadowers are able to use the products of on-line speech analysis to drive their articulatory apparatus before they are fully aware of what these products are. This means that close shadowing not only provides a continuous reflection of the outcome of the process of language comprehension, but also does so relatively unaffected by post-perceptual processes. In this sense, therefore, close shadowing provides us with uniquely privileged access to the properties of the system." [source: Marslen-Wilson, W. D., "Speech shadowing and speech comprehension", Speech Communication, Volume 4, Issues 1-3, August 1985, Pages 55-73, 1985] Edited by Teango on 05 December 2010 at 5:30am 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
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Maybe he invented the walking around part, but I definitely "spoke along simultaneously to a recording" (without a script in front of me) long before that. I just didn't have a name for the activity. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
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I remember in one of his videos about shadowing, he mentioned that he wanted to be recognized as the originator of the method as one of the reasons for discussing it on YouTube. So even if others were doing it on their own, he is probably the first to have named it and made it A Method™.
I've also noticed that it's a pretty widely-known term in Japan among English learners and TOEFL candidates. But while a Google search for シャドーイング yields 146,000 results, I couldn't find any reference to Professor Arguelles, where the method originated, etc. It seems unlikely that the Japanese would come up with this English label on their own, so I believe it must have been introduce by someone who was influenced by Professor Arguelles. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5127 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 8 of 19 05 December 2010 at 3:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's a fair statement, and one I agree with. I personally believe that there have been no new methods actually invented for a very long time (there may be improvements or the media changes, but nothing new with the method itself). However, in one of the videos on that page, he explains why he would like to be recognized as the innovator of that technique. R. == Edited by hrhenry on 05 December 2010 at 3:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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