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Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5327 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 9 of 11 20 January 2011 at 10:34am | IP Logged |
Ncruz wrote:
However, I'm finding this approach to be a little more difficult with Norwegian because some books use the common gender whereas some others make a distinction between masculine and feminine. To make things easier on myself, I decided to ignore the feminine gender. now that I'm seeing it in some of my books, though, I'm beginning to wonder if it would be easier to learn the rules for feminine nouns as well. Do native speakers or anyone who has already studied Norwegian have any advice on the matter? Is it more common to use all three genders or just common and neuter?
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Using feminine or not is a matter of style. You can just forget about the feminine gender until you are at a very high level. The only word I can remember that sounds really funny if you do not use the feminine gender is girl - "jente" which would be "jenta" in the definite form, using the feminine gender.
When I read stories for my children I used to autmatically convert the feminine to the masculine form as I went along.
If the sentence in the book was:
Jenta leste ferdig boka, tok på seg jakka, buksa og lua og gikk ut for å leke.
(The girl finished reading the book, and put on the trousers, the jacket and the cap and went out to play).
Then I would read:
Jenta leste ferdig boken, tok på seg jakken, buksen og luen og gikk ut for å leke.
However since you asked what is most common, I would say that it is most common to use a combination of the two. The percentage varies wildly though.
Anything between 1% to 95% would be considered normal. If you want to speak an educated, yet relaxed Norwegian I would think anywhere between 1-10 % would be fine. If you are well educated but has a background from another dialect or wants everyone to know that your political sympathies are on the left side (Norwegian left, which means to the left of the American political landscape) you could raise it to almost a 100%.
Personally it changes wildly according to who I am with, how formal the occasion is and how tired or angry I am. If I am at a formal occasion, well rested and in a good mood, I use very few feminines. If I talk to an elderly, conservative lady, I would use none (apart from "jenta"). If I talk to my colleague who uses quite a lot, since his original dialect contains a lot of feminines, the percentage goes up a bit. If I am tired or mad the percentage may go up further, and if I am talking to people with little in the way of formal education it may go up even further, in order to close the gap beween their speech and mine, to make them more comfortable.
As a foreigner you need not worry about it. Just use the masculine form, and when your Norwegian is so good that you want to express political views or want to align yourself with the level of your speaker it will just come naturally.
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5327 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 10 of 11 11 February 2011 at 2:15pm | IP Logged |
Did I scare you by an overload of information?
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| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6135 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian
| Message 11 of 11 14 March 2011 at 6:43am | IP Logged |
Nick, ¿dónde te has metido? ¿Todavía estudias noruego e Italiano? No te hemos visto desde hace muchísimo tiempo. Espero que todo esté bien contigo y que nada te haya pasado.
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