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| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5027 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 1 of 82 29 December 2010 at 1:33am | IP Logged |
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- Modern Hebrew -
I suppose that I took my first steps in Hebrew in the summer of last year, but I have started learning on a regular basis not until the end of 2009, when Hebrew finally broke my heart. But most of the weeks of 2010 there was still too much muddle. With the help of this new log I hope to "annihilate" that. Current Level All in all A1. Goals From A1 to B1/B2. It would be great to be able to watch movies and listen to songs and to understand much of it by the end of 2011. Reading: I have to get more used to the Hebrew alphabet, there are too few words I can identify at first glance. So basic reading fluency is going to be a hard task, which leads me to vocabulary. My Anki deck contains currently 750 cards. I can't imagine to add ten cards every day. If I add 2.250 (6 per day) that is a more realistic goal to me, ending the year then with 3.000 total. However, this functions as an uncertain landmark, since I have not really an idea what I can achieve learning one year long more or less concentrated. (Adding cards to Anki has always been a lot of work for me. I have two decks, a: German/Hebrew with vowels, b: Hebrew without vowels/German; so it actually makes 12 cards per day.) Finally, speaking skills: I still have to make contact to Hebrew speakers in the real world or online. I'm no Jew myself and the few I know either can't speak it or I don't know them well enough. Until then the rest is monologizing. Ressources - "Lehrbuch der neuhebräischen Sprache" by Shulamit Zemach-Tendler (SZT) (currently lesson 22/50) - "The Routledge Introductory Course in Modern Hebrew" by Giore Etzion, including a good website companion, which has audio files that help with the listening skills (currently lesson 31/90) - the Lonely Planet Hebrew Phrase Book (3.500 words) (mostly unused) - hebrewpodcasts.com (currently lesson six) - FSI Hebrew (currently lesson three) - movies/music: until now I have watched some movies in Hebrew but I can't undertstand anything more than single words or simple phrases. The same goes for music besides on A1 level it is more enjoyable. Method Throughout the year I will count the learning hours and mention the smaller hurdles I have taken. Listening to music und watching movies is not counted as learning time. - Ancient Greek - To get a more fundamental approach to ancient Greek philosophy I just started Greek in the past semesters during university, but it always was a long time project. Unfortunatly, a Greek course was not compulsory for me, which didn't make me learn more, too. In the last months, however, this project fizzled out a bit, so there is reason for some action in the upcoming year again. I don't expect enormous progress in the next year, I aim for a lot of small steps and continuity on a low level. My ressources are: "Hellas - Lehrgang des Griechischen" and "Hellas - Griechische Grammatik", as well as the wonderfully written "Die griechische Sprache. Geschichte und Einführung" by Hans Poeschel (from 1950). Edited by Meelämmchen on 30 December 2010 at 1:20pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5027 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 2 of 82 29 December 2010 at 1:44am | IP Logged |
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SPECIFIC GOALS (from the beginning of the year)
1) complete the remaining lessons from SZT (22-50/50) 2) complete the remaining lessons from Etzion (31-90/90) 3) add 2.250 new cards to Anki (30 per month from the LP Phrase Book) 4) make moderate progress in FSI and hebrewpodcasts 5) read some children's books (no specific goals for Ancient Greek) PROGRESS IN NUMBERS (weeks and hours) 01-04 : 48,50 (Total) / 40,00 (Hebrew) / 8,50 (Greek) 05-08 : 45,00 (Total) / 38,00 (Hebrew) / 7,00 (Greek) 09-12 : 35,50 (Total) / 33,75 (Hebrew) / 1,75 (Greek) 13-16 : 43,00 (Total) / 38,50 (Hebrew) / 4,50 (Greek) 17-20 : 45,00 (Total) / 39,50 (Hebrew) / 5,00 (Greek) / 0,50 (Yiddish) 21-24 : 41,25 (Total) / 36,00 (Hebrew) / 2,00 (Greek) / 3,25 (English) 25-28 : 40,00 (Total) / 36,75 (Hebrew) / 3,25 (English) 29-32 : 26,50 (Total) / 26,50 (Hebrew) 33-36 : 39,75 (Total) / 39,25 (Hebrew) / 0,50 (English) 37-40 : 33,75 (Total) / 33,00 (Hebrew) / 0,75 (English) 41-44 : 17,25 (Total) / 17,00 (Hebrew) / 0,25 (English) 45-48 : 21,00 (Total) / 17,50 (Hebrew) / 3,25 (English) / 0,25 (Greek) ________ 1-52 - 324,75 (Total) / 395,75 (Hebrew) / 29,00 (Greek) / 11,25 (English) + 0,5 Y. FOUR-WEEKLY REPORTS Weeks 1-4 - Jan. 1st - Jan. 30th Hebrew TST: 40 hours New Anki cards: 149 - reviewed Etzion lessons 1-30 - Etzion lessons 31-34 - SZT lessons 22-24 - Colloquial Hebrew units 1 and 2 - Hebrewpodcasts lesson 6 - wrote my first text in Hebrew Ancient Greek TST: 8,5 hours - reviewed Hellas lessons 1-6 - read Poeschel until page 68 - Mehr's course 1-3 Weeks 5-8 - Jan. 31st - Feb. 27th Hebrew TST: 38 hours New Anki cards: 174 (again only 8 Phrasebook cards) - Etzion lessons 35-40 - SZT lessons 25-27 - Colloquial Hebrew units 3 and 4 - Hebrewpodcasts lessons 7 and 8 - topped 1.000 Anki cards Ancient Greek TST: 7 hours - reviewed Hellas lessons 7-13 Weeks 9-12 - Feb. 28th - Mar. 27th Hebrew TST: 33,75 hours New Anki cards: 181 - Etzion lessons 41-45 - SZT lessons 28-30 - Colloquial Hebrew unit 5 Ancient Greek TST: 1,75 hours - reviewed Hellas lessons 14 and 15 Weeks 13-16 - Mar. 28th - Apr. 24th Hebrew TST: 38,5 hours New Anki cards: 208 - Etzion lessons 46-51 - SZT lessons 31 and 32 - Colloquial Hebrew unit 6 - topped 1.500 Anki cards - started practising to write the cursive alphabet Ancient Greek TST: 4,5 hours - reviewed Hellas lessons 16 and W4, finished lesson 17 Weeks 17-20 - Apr. 25th - May 22nd Hebrew TST: 39,5 hours New Anki cards: 184 - Etzion lessons 52-56 - SZT lessons 33-36 Ancient Greek TST: 5 hours - Hellas lessons 18 and 19 Yiddish TST: 0,5 hour - alphabet, pronunciation Weeks 21-24 - May 23rd - June 19th Hebrew TST: 36 hours New Anki cards: 163 - Etzion lessons 57-60 - Colloquial Hebrew unit 7 Ancient Greek TST: 2 hours - began Hellas lesson 20 English TST: 3,25 hour New Anki cards: 38 - present tense simple, present tense progressive Weeks 25-28 - June 20th - July 17th Hebrew TST: 36,75 hours New Anki cards: 240 - SZT lessons 37-41 - Etzion lesson 61 - got to 2.000 Anki cards English TST: 3,25 hour New Anki cards: 43 - past tense simple Weeks 29-32 - July 18th - Aug. 14th Hebrew TST: 26,5 hours New Anki cards: 93 - SZT lessons 42-47 English TST: 0 hour Weeks 33-36 - Aug. 15th - Sep. 11th Hebrew TST: 39,25 hours New Anki cards: 317 - SZT lessons 48-50 + appendix (finished the book) - topped 2.500 Anki cards English TST: 0,5 hour - Anki Weeks 37-40 - Sep. 12th - Oct. 9th Hebrew TST: 33 hours New Anki cards: 150 - Etzion lessons 62-65 (end of unit 5) - Colloquial unit 8 English TST: 0,75 hour - Past Tense Progressive Weeks 41-44 - Sep. 12th - Oct. 9th Hebrew TST: 17 hours New Anki cards: 28 - Etzion lesson 66 English TST: 0,25 hour - Anki Weeks 45-48 - Nov. 7th - Dec. 4th Hebrew TST: 17,5 hours New Anki cards: 46 - Etzion lesson 67 English TST: 3,25 hours - Anki Ancient Greek TST: 0,25 hour - Anki (editable post) Edited by Meelämmchen on 06 December 2011 at 8:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Hakan D Tetraglot Groupie Turkey Joined 5045 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: Turkish*, Icelandic, English, German Studies: Spanish, Greek, Swedish, Hungarian, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, Russian | Message 3 of 82 30 December 2010 at 2:07am | IP Logged |
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Hello Meelämmchen,
I guess I'm your teammate for this year. I don't know whether there are other people who signed up for Hebrew. I study Greek also but the modern one :) My goal for Hebrew ın 2011 will be to reach a B2 level (speaking skills may stay at B1 level if I don't get enough practice though). Currently I'm studying the Hebrew Three Months and almost finished with the 11th chapter. I'm hoping to finish this book with some dedicated working until next Wednesday. After this book is completed I'll start reading some children books. Some of the many books in this site: http://en.childrenslibrary.org/ I'll also go on with studying the Colloquial Hebrew and FSI Hebrew from the beginning but probably I'll just need to skim through the first chapters. But still... After those books are completed I have the Modern Hebrew Grammar book I think I'll study that book thoroughly. And I should be doing these before I reach 100 hours. (I don't count hours I spend reading books, listening to radio, talking to friends in these 100 hours though) Currently I'm in a 2000 hours 10 languages (200 hours per language) project so I'll try to do my Hebrew studies accordingly. Nevertheless that doesn't mean that I'll stop studying Hebrew if I reach 200 hours somewhere in the middle of the year :) If I reach 200 hours I should have typed in and known between 8500-12.000 words. I use jmemorize for vocabulary practice as I couldn't get used to Anki or other softwares. So we should say for an hour of studying I should learn around 40 words in average. Today I've made a recording of myself speaking Hebrew, just for a reference where my level is approximately right now http://www.archive.org/details/ModernHebrew1Beginner 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5027 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 4 of 82 30 December 2010 at 2:22pm | IP Logged |
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Hi Hakan (may I omit the D?)!
Nice to have you onboard (since this other user from Australia became inactive). First of all I hope you are not too frustrated for [correct preposition?) not being on the Russian team. But so much for that. In the light of your goals I only can hope to have underestimated what I can achieve. The great goals from almost all of the participants of the TAC motivate me already now. Oh, do you want to learn ~10.000 new words in all of your ten languages? Thanks for the link to the children's book site. Nice covers in all languages. I already made it a new specific goal to read some children's books. Awesome, awesome, awesome this page. Zoom effect for the written parts of a page. And very historical. The Book of Things for example, published in Berlin 1922. I could cry for the original. Thanks so much again for this link. I have also some pdfs from children's books, which I got from a site whose link I have forgotten (but I suppose I once got if somewhere from this forum here, I could check it the next days, if you want... but I'm not exactly sure, if it really are children's books, it could be little stories as well, mostly two or three pages long...). But they lack the charm of those historical books... A question concerning understanding: Do you aim to finish FSI Hebrew in the summer and in under 200 hours? As for me I found the (fist two, hehe) FSI lessons really, really time consuming and stopped after that. Güle güle! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Hakan D Tetraglot Groupie Turkey Joined 5045 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: Turkish*, Icelandic, English, German Studies: Spanish, Greek, Swedish, Hungarian, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, Russian | Message 5 of 82 30 December 2010 at 6:52pm | IP Logged |
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I think it's better to concentrate on one TAC language per year and if I use up all my 200 hours I can still
continue to study Hebrew and give more focus on it. About 10.000 words that's my aim for the languages that I want to learn to advanced or native fluency (obviously +10.000 words for native fluency attempts :) ). There's also maybe a trick, if you will, about how I define the 200 hours I still count the initial vocabulary learning as active learning but if I'm doing some repetition exercises with the vocabulary on my computer then I don't count them in these 200 hours. However I think it would shed more light into the actual time spent learning a language I'll also include the time approximately for vocabulary practice, listening (that is, the radio is on but I don't need to listen to it carefully) and speaking (talking to my friends), reading children books etc. On the other hand if I'm doing these practices actively they count in these 200 hours. My estimation is that I can study languages 2 to max 3 hours daily. That's why I think 40-50 new words for each hour is plausible. I need to learn 120-150 words maximum each day. I'm currently studying the FSI Hungarian. The good thing about these books are they come with immense vocabulary. Sometimes they're a bit exhaustive and as you say a bit time-consuming for me as they go over one text very slowly 2-3 times until they get to the natural speed. When I study actively I often fast forward, when I'm cooking, resting, reading a newspaper, walking down the street and so on I leave it on. It's good listening practice. I think that it could be useful for the ones who has no language learning background and needs a slow pace to learn and listen a lot, or in my case if it would be really hard to have a direct exposure to the language. There are zillions of reinforcement exercises although they might look boring to do it out loud works for me. I checked FSI for Mongolian but unfortunately they don't have it. The childrenslibrary books are amazing there are many hebrew (and vocalized!!), hungarian and mongolian books also therefore I'm very satisfied. :) Edited by Hakan D on 30 December 2010 at 6:54pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5027 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 6 of 82 30 December 2010 at 9:42pm | IP Logged |
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Oh, I misunderstood you. I thought your goals would all be one year goals. And like I said, music and TV is too passive for me as to count it as learning. But active listening or repitition I think are one of the core elements of learning. I would count that in.
A half and one night to go. !כתוב מעט עשה הרבה 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5027 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 7 of 82 02 January 2011 at 1:24am | IP Logged |
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Oh, the first day of the new year is over now. I just came back home late in the afternoon and had probably the same problems everyone faces on such a day. Mainly a lack of learning opportunities and a late wake up with family affairs shortly afterwards, but I'm not too tired. We watched the New Year's Concert at Wien and played Rummikub, a game which turned out to be Israel's top export game which I didn't know before (this concrete games is from the 80ies and says it is only for people from 8-80!!!). Anyway, I had my fair share of immersion.
Back home I procrastinated a bit in the forum, but I managed to spend 1,5 hours studying Hebrew. I worked with the yellow book (SZT) and added to Anki the remaining vocabulary from earlier lessons which I had skipped during the last year (39 cards) and also reviewed 200 cards. 825 cards now. In the next days I'm going to do all the excercises from the Etzion book so far (30 lessons, I skipped too much of them), a lot of writing and hopefully listening practice (Etzion online), to add some new cards from SZT, and to make a little plan using the other ressources. Unfortunatly no Greek today. But I have found a new pdf course that seems fine (in German). Edited by Meelämmchen on 02 January 2011 at 10:16am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5027 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 8 of 82 04 January 2011 at 12:50am | IP Logged |
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Today and yesterday each 1.5 Hebrew hours again. 24 new cards from SZT, but some nominalized verbs, too. I have now reached lesson 24 but need to do the excersises again. And I combined reviewing the German/Hebrew with vowels deck with spelling practice as I wrote down for every card the Hebrew verb and set the wrong ones to "difficult" not until I have made a maximum of one mistake per word. That drilling was frustrating and I had to start again and again.
Yesterday I went through lesson six from hebrewpodcasts and there were quite many new things. Because SZT and Etzion are my primary ressources and I am ahead there, too, I find it disturbing to get too much new stuff on early lessons from other material. I will jot down these new things and check it while proceeding with SZT and Etzion, who both proceed with the grammar in a very similar way, in order to cross it off that list. To be fair, the problem here is also that I am not signed up on their homepage and so don't get the lesson guide. But I'm ok with that. So far the new components are not that new in comparison to FSI. It's worse here. Future forms on lesson three! For me it is easier to memorize things if I have at least a basic explanation of the form, without that I would more or less have to learn pure letter rows. Right now I can't give an outline of how to proceed with FSI. At least I want to go through lesson three in January and then I will see if drilling can be worth it or if I better should skip the difficult parts, like it is Hakan D's method on that. Or I'm going to postpone the use of FSI until I completed the Hebrew grammar. I'll see. The Phrase Book: to make progress and to count that process I thought of adding at least 30 cards per month. This way I'm forced to use this book at least two times per month, adding 15 respectively 30 cards (my two Hebrew decks) is enough for one Anki adding session. Etzion: not started the reptition yet. Finally Greek: 40 min. Starting finally the repition in Greek I yesterday went through the first two lessons of my new pdf course. Very introductory and nothing new, except some rules and funny anecdotes. "Baino" meaning "I walk" the author is commenting with 'even the Greeks used legs (=Beine) for walking'. Thus this entry ends with a joke, good or bad, you decide. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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