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| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5173 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes  Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 33 of 102 28 January 2011 at 6:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
Hmm, I'm having some trouble dissecting this. I take it that أنا فرح means "I'm happy"? With فرح used as the adjective? Initially, when I used أفرح, I was under the impression that it meant that I was in a state of happiness. Now that I've had time to reflect on it, I'm wondering if it means 'I'm cheering", as in "I'm cheering someone up." Is that right? My sentence was supposed to be translated as "I'm happy that you enjoyed the music." I made a mistake (intended to write استمتعت instead of استمتع). However, I'm not quite sure why you used استمتعتي. It looks like either the jussive or the subjunctive for 2nd person, female, singular. But wouldn't that be تستمتعي? I know that you use the subjunctive with أَنْ, but I'm using أَنَّ in this case, does it still take the subjunctive? And finally, does استمتع always take the ب? Sigh, so many questions from one short sentence... شكرا. أقدر مساعدتك. Edited by strikingstar on 28 January 2011 at 6:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5173 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 34 of 102 28 January 2011 at 6:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
Definitely not!! I've had to devise some unorthodox ways to remember some of these words. For example, نقل (nql) means to deliver. In my mind, I'm thinking "拿过来" (na3 guo4 lai2), which means "bring it over", which I can interpret as delivering to me. For all intents and purposes, ngl sounds close enough to nql for me. I tend to use other languages to remember new words. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kinan Diglot Senior Member Syrian Arab Republic Joined 5566 days ago 234 posts - 279 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, English Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 35 of 102 28 January 2011 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Ok, I don't know these terms of subjunctive and stuff so I am gonna explain it simply.
first let's discuss أفرح When you say أفرح, it means that I become happy when..so your sentence means "I become happy when you enjoy the music" and even then it won't be right, it should be أفرح عندما تستمتعين بالموسيقى As for استمتعت , I think you should add ي to indicate that you are talking to a female, but I am not quite sure, maybe you add كسرة to ت but I believe استمتعي is the right word. Finally, the prepositions after استمتع can be مع like in "هل استمتعت مع اصدقائك؟" but mostly ب comes after it..it would never come like in your example without any prepositions as far as I know. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cetacea Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie United States booh.com Joined 5324 days ago 80 posts - 163 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Arabic (Yemeni), Arabic (Written) Studies: French | Message 36 of 102 28 January 2011 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm baffled by your explanation especially coming from a native speaker. - You (female) enjoy the music : تستمتعين بالموسيقى - You (female) enjoyed the music : استمتعتِ بالموسيقى أو كنتِ تستمتعين بالموسيقى Neither استمتعي nor استمتعتي is correct. استمتعي is a command word when you want to tell a female to enjoy! استمتعتي is simply wrong. Use a كسرة instead of ي.
Agreed. استمتع is almost always used with ب to mean "enjoy something" 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kinan Diglot Senior Member Syrian Arab Republic Joined 5566 days ago 234 posts - 279 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, English Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 37 of 102 28 January 2011 at 10:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks for explaining that Cetacea, but don't be surprised we native speakers forget some rules, we rarely use the MSA after we finish school...and actually most of Arabs can't even know when to write the ت or ة .. for example they would write صحيفت المدرسة
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| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5173 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 38 of 102 29 January 2011 at 5:24am | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks Kinan and Cetacea.
Final question. Can I use أن or do I have to use عندما? I intended to write "I am happy that you enjoyed the music". Would أفرح أنك استمتعت بالموسيقى be the accurate translation? شكرا 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kinan Diglot Senior Member Syrian Arab Republic Joined 5566 days ago 234 posts - 279 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, English Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 39 of 102 29 January 2011 at 7:55am | IP Logged | |||||
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You use أن but not with أفرح , you should use the adjective أنا فرح or you can use the past أنا فرحت
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| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5173 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 40 of 102 29 January 2011 at 8:14am | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks for clarifying. I guess that makes sense. In English, I wouldn't say "I'm becoming happy that you enjoyed the music." Mental note to self: Cannot always put 'n behind a verb.
I see that you've used a Form VIII verb - أعتقد. (I had never seen it before.) Google translate defines it as "to think", "to believe" or "to suppose" etc. Is it a synonym for فكر or are there shades of differences in their meanings. I'm at a stage where I feel the need to write everything in Arabic. Invariably, I'll make a gazillion mistakes along the way but I think it's the only way to improve. Hope you don't find my questions too irritating. Edited by strikingstar on 29 January 2011 at 8:25am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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