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| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5875 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 97 of 133 02 January 2012 at 4:25am | IP Logged | ||
The "present" in German has a wider use than in English (and Portuguese, btw.) and your translation is right. In the main clause, verbs usually appear in the second place: Sie arbeitet als Kellnerin. In a dependent clause verbs appear (always?) in the last position. So, they appear in the last position when you use the conjunction seit (among other subordinate conjunctions, like als, bis etc): Sie arbeitet als Kellnerin, seit sie in Deutschland lebt. However, when the main clause is inverted with a dependent one, then verbs in the main clause appear in the first position. Then, for a clause with a subordinate conjunction: Seit sie in Deutschland lebt, arbeitet sie als Kellnerin. Questions are also formed with verbs in the first position: Arbeitet sie als Kellnerin? Word order is a first problem that I have seen that I should study again/better, after beginning to write some posts in Lang-8 during the last few days. So, I don't really know it well and hope that someone who does come here and explain it better. Edited by Flarioca on 02 January 2012 at 4:30am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Tournesol Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 5354 days ago 119 posts - 132 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchC1 Studies: German | Message 98 of 133 03 January 2012 at 12:32am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks Flarioca. Your explanation was useful.
German Log Entry 3 I started the second lesson of Tangram Aktuel 1 (Niveau A1 coursebook). I lost some time trying to figure out what the word "Meldestelle" meant. I discovered this online dictionary. Hueber Online Dictionary German 45 mins Edited by Tournesol on 03 January 2012 at 12:37am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ummagumma Senior Member IrelandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5249 days ago 217 posts - 241 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 99 of 133 05 January 2012 at 10:27am | IP Logged | ||
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I see that the Irish are well represented in the German Team!
Ich komme auch aus Irland! Ich wünsche dir viel Erfolg beim Deutschlernen. You are correct on the grammar point above on the use of the present to express the past in certain instances. I met it most with representing the past up to the present. You see it allot with since (seit). I'm no German professional but here are other examples. They are the type of phase we would meet alot. e.g I have been living in Germany for 2 years already. Ich wohne schon seit 2 Jahren in Deutschland. he has been selling houses of 3 years. Er verkauft seit 3 Jahren Häuser. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Tournesol Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 5354 days ago 119 posts - 132 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchC1 Studies: German | Message 100 of 133 05 January 2012 at 11:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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@Ummagumma. Thanks. Keep writing in German - I enjoy working out the meaning even if I can't reply in
German. Thanks for the grammar tips. German Log Entry 4 No German yesterday evening as I had my weekly French Skype call. Since I don't have a German teacher yet I decided to search for some online pronunciation resources this evening. All the vowels I looked at this evening exist in either English or French so there was no difficulty. Here's some vocabulary I picked up at pronunciation resources: nicht übel adj. fam. früh (adj.) früher oder später Typ (r) fam. e.g. Er ist nicht mein Typ. I have a question. Is there an abbreviation for "zum Beispiel" i.e. an equivalent to e.g. in German? German 30 mins Edited by Tournesol on 07 January 2012 at 10:48am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5875 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 101 of 133 06 January 2012 at 2:42am | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, it is "z.B.".
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| Tournesol Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 5354 days ago 119 posts - 132 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchC1 Studies: German | Message 102 of 133 06 January 2012 at 8:54am | IP Logged | ||
Selbstverständlich! Danke Flarioca noch einmal. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5840 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 103 of 133 06 January 2012 at 9:36am | IP Logged | ||
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Hi Tournesol,
ich sehe, dass du Anfänger der deutschen Sprache bist. Du hattest im TAC-Jahr 2011 so einen tollen französischen Log geschrieben! :) Ich wünsche dir viel Erfolg mit dem Lernen der deutschen Sprache! Fasulye 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Tournesol Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 5354 days ago 119 posts - 132 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchC1 Studies: German | Message 104 of 133 06 January 2012 at 9:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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@Fasulye. Danke! It's nice to hear from a native German speaker. I'm hoping to make some progress in German
and that I will overcome the motivational problems that thwarted my progress in German last year. Hopefully I can find the right mix of learning materials to keep it interesting. Also, this is the first time I'm part of a TAC team and I think that participation in a team will help. German Team Log German Log Entry 5 I listened to the dialogues from my course book CD on the walk to work (chose to walk as the wind had died down and it had stopped raining!) . A second or a third listening is useful (even at this very basic level) as the first time I might be mostly focussed on meaning and when I can listen again I can focus on other things like pronunciation, rhythm and sentence intonation. It’s still all very basic but I’m in no rush. I played with a German language parser as I wanted to see some syntax trees of simple sentence structure. I find it much more intuitive to look at a sentence tree than read a paragraph of explanation of grammar. This might help me cope better with the challenge of word order in German when I get beyond the beginner stage. (German 45 mins) Edited by Tournesol on 13 January 2012 at 8:42am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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