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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6610 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 9 of 89 20 July 2011 at 11:27pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I agree with you, but it takes a long time to have a trained memory like yours. You need a strong motivation to keep training to be able to learn hundreds of random digits, cards or stuff like that. If people goal is learning a language, I think its not worth it to spend time with this kind of exhausting memory training.
I agree with you, but this is useful if you use it to actively rehearse this vocabulary to fix it and to get rid of the crutches (localizations, associations and so on). This means reducing your reactions to 0,4 seconds. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Zwlth Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 5161 days ago 154 posts - 320 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Arabic (Written), Dutch, Swedish, Portuguese, Latin, French, Persian, Greek | Message 10 of 89 21 July 2011 at 3:44am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Granted, there are memory castle loci peg technqiques that can help you memorize a dictionary and even a grammar book. There are also reports of other miraculous ways to increase your brain power. But, has anyone ever met or even heard of anyone who truly mastered a language in a remarkably short time by doing anything like this?
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6610 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 11 of 89 21 July 2011 at 11:41am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Ramón Campayo is a Spanish memory champion. In his book "Aprende un idioma en 7 días", his wife wrote that Mr Ramón learned German using a little electronic dictionary in two hours. This was travelling by plain from Spain to Germany. According to her, he was able to produce a public speech when he arrived to Germany. Do you believe this claim? :0)))) By the way, his book is basically about the keyword technique. If you are a Gran Master Of Memory, or something like that, I think it is possible to learn a huge number of foreign words in a short period of time,but your pronunciation will be a mess and you will still need a lot of experience and practice with the language. Mnemonics is very limited. It is not a miracle. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josh Cohen Newbie United States mnemotechnics.org/ Joined 4811 days ago 35 posts - 63 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Portuguese, Esperanto | Message 12 of 89 21 July 2011 at 2:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Read the book Moonwalking with Einstein. I'm trying to learn Esperanto as fast as possible at the moment. It's a simple language to start with. I'm headed to the Lernu Meeting in Slovakia at the end of July. I'll post an update in August on how it goes.
I would say that mnemonics can help ordinary people attain miraculous things, but only with practice. ("Miraculous" as in being able to do "impossible" things like memorize thousands of binary digits in 30 minutes or a deck of cards as quick as under 30 seconds.) Memorizing vocabulary is not the same as knowing a language. The techniques would only help with vocabulary and grammar memorization. Your brain still has to process the information to be able to use it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6610 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 13 of 89 21 July 2011 at 9:06pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I agree that we can achieve those feats, but they take too much time and effort and they are useless from a practical point of view.
Yes, I agree with you. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josh Cohen Newbie United States mnemotechnics.org/ Joined 4811 days ago 35 posts - 63 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Portuguese, Esperanto | Message 14 of 89 21 July 2011 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I see the purpose of memorizing things like binary digits as pushing the level of what is possible. The people who competitively memorize binary digits are the ones developing new memory techniques based on what they learn by pushing things to the limit. If an ordinary human can learn to quickly memorize a sequence of 1000 zeros and ones, an ordinary human should also be able to quickly memorize huge amounts of vocabulary and grammar data (with practice). Memorizing vocabulary isn't "knowing the language", but I think that it's something useful. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6610 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 15 of 89 21 July 2011 at 11:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I agree, but the techniques they develop are useful to learn that: random digits, random cards and things like that.
Believe me. It is quite useless to learn words and grammar rules out of context. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josh Cohen Newbie United States mnemotechnics.org/ Joined 4811 days ago 35 posts - 63 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Portuguese, Esperanto | Message 16 of 89 21 July 2011 at 11:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It's not necessarily out of context though. You have to remember (memorize) vocabulary and rules one way or another. It's basically the linkword method, which I'm assuming many people use, but with the addition of locations to sort words according to the grammar. I don't know--I'm not an language expert--but it's a technique I'm working on. Edited by Josh Cohen on 22 July 2011 at 12:02am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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