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| Journeyer Triglot Senior Member United States tristan85.blogspot.c Joined 6874 days ago 946 posts - 1110 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, German Studies: Sign Language | Message 193 of 377 07 September 2006 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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I can't speak for Ziad Fazah, but concerning accents, I've found myself occasionally second-guessing myself when I've heard people speak in English. I can't tell a New Zealand accent, for example, and sometimes I'm not sure if I heard an accent from Australia or some place in Great Britain.
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| Dave M Groupie United States bfmfightwear.com Joined 6932 days ago 56 posts - 63 votes | Message 194 of 377 07 September 2006 at 1:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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Que beisterol!
1 - I have an authentic Gaucho type accent with perfecr slang from Rio. 9 times out of 10 I get into a taxi and the driver will think I am from the south of Brazil. The only time I am "seen" as a foreigner" is in the occasional grammatical mistake I make in verb time, po and para and and a few other minor details. I have never taken a Portiguese class, I have a natural gift. My accent is also liliting and resembles what a southerner would say and EVERYONE mitsakes me for a a Gaucho. A portuguese if I am xtremely tired and I swallow my words a bit like someone from Portugal, then other people from Portugal ask me if I'm from Lisboa and how long Ive been in Rio E eu não sou muito de soletrar ou digitar corretamente mas vai tomar no sabe que para ficar aqui e me julgando, escrevendo eu sou quase analfabeto, falando eu mando second - Ziad is not a computer genius. No one said he is. He likes Linux, plays with a few programs and has some skills but nothing resembling a computer genius. I have a lesson tomorrow and I am hoping to get the layout done and up by this weekend, especially since we found out Go Dady is only 70$ a year for hosting 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Demeter Bilingual Tetraglot Newbie Portugal Joined 6662 days ago 10 posts - 13 votes Speaks: English*, Portuguese*, French, Spanish Studies: German | Message 195 of 377 07 September 2006 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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"Ziad is not a computer genius. No one said he is."
DaveM, You yourself wrote on page 7: (quote) "He is a computer genius as well." (end quote) Nobody who had actually heard both accents would ever confuse Portuguese from Portugal with Gaúcho-Portuguese. That's what I was asking: did Mr. Fazah actually ever hear the languages he knows spoken by natives, or did he learn most of them out of books? Relativamente ao teu português: desculpa, mas temos conceitos diferentes do que é falar uma língua como alguém que a tenha como língua-materna. No meu conceito, isso implica escrevê-la a um nível equiparável ao de um estudante universitário. Caso contrário, eu posso dizer que falo italiano como um natural da Itália... o que é verdade, desde que o italiano tenha apenas 6 anos de idade. ;o) (Trans for non-speakers: Regarding your portuguese: I apologize, but we have different views on what it means to speak a language like a native speaker. In my view, it implies being able to write it on a University level. Otherwise, I could well say that I speak italian like a native speaker. Which is perfectly true, as long as said Italian is only 6 years old. ;o) End translation) EDIT - Btw, "besteirol" is very impolite when used with Portuguese-from-Portugal speakers from certain regions. A "besteirol" is a place where "bestas" are kept. "Bestas" (beasts) is taken to mean donkeys, mules, oxen. When you call a group of people a "besteirol", you're saying they're all irrational, unclean animals. Not terribly nice. Edited by Demeter on 07 September 2006 at 2:45pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Dave M Groupie United States bfmfightwear.com Joined 6932 days ago 56 posts - 63 votes | Message 196 of 377 07 September 2006 at 7:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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You insulted me, I wasn't trying to be nice. I think you seem to be a bit of a snob. If some dumb hick who never went to high school spoke English as his mother tongue but couldn't read or write you wqouldn't consider him an English speaker
If I quoted Ziad as a computer genius, I was wrong. Over the last few months I've gotten to know him more personally, he is a language genius, but as for computers just normal. And it is very easy to confuse a gaucho with a portuguese for the reason that a speaker from one region of the country may recognize that the speaker he is hearing sounds like a native speaker but he is not sure from where. I also stated that when I am exhausted I swallow my words a bit and my accfent becomes a little Portuguesized. All in all based on the hundreds of people who have mistaken me for a native speaker of Portuguese I will consider you're statements for what they are - unimportant 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| lengua Senior Member United States polyglottery.wordpre Joined 6690 days ago 549 posts - 595 votes Studies: French, Italian, Spanish, German | Message 197 of 377 09 September 2006 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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Dave M - what tips do you have for becoming a better listener? I find I can sometimes/often get my thoughts across in, French, but I have trouble understanding what's said back to me. I've been listening to the radio a lot, but I was wondering if you had any more suggestions.
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| Spasty Groupie United States Joined 6875 days ago 92 posts - 113 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Mandarin, French | Message 198 of 377 10 September 2006 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sorry if I'm wretchedly behind! So... his email is ziadyfazah@yahoo.com.br?
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| James007 Newbie United States Joined 6708 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes | Message 199 of 377 10 September 2006 at 2:32pm | IP Logged | ||
His email is exactly that. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Polyglot2005 Senior Member United States Joined 7194 days ago 184 posts - 185 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 200 of 377 12 September 2006 at 11:15am | IP Logged | ||
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I don't want to add fuel to the fire but Demeter you said "I apologize, but we have different views on what it means to speak a language like a native speaker. In my view, implies being able to write it on a University level. "
Speaking and writing are two different skills. If you can speak a language then you can speak it, it doesn't mean you can write in it. If you can write and speak then one would say 'I can write and speak this language.' Edited by Polyglot2005 on 12 September 2006 at 11:16am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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