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| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4891 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 209 of 331 31 December 2013 at 10:44am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Random late-night thoughts ...
In the past I've probably put the same amount of time into Turkish and Italian. Italian came fast and easy. I had background in Latin, Spanish, and French, so learning Italian was pure joy. Turkish was work, and a lot of the concepts were initially hard. After studying Turkish I spent three weeks in Turkey, and later went back for 2 weeks. After Italian I spent one week in Rome. And what a difference even that little amount of immersion made! Today Turkish is coming back quickly. It's like visiting an old friend. I listen to my tapes, and I think: oh yeah, I remember how that works! Meanwhile, Italian is coming back slowly, and even with Pimsleur I there are significant chunks that feel like I'm learning for the first time. At work we talk about the ideal amount of time for a vacation (it's one of the things you really analyze when you're on a remote island!). Three days is fun, but there's not much added benefit to four days ... it's not until you hit a week that the vacation enters the next level. I'm wondering if language immersion doesn't work the same way. My current theory: Three days: Not enough time to settle into the language. Ten days: You can immerse yourself into the language. Three weeks: You can start to internalize the language Two to three months: You become comfortable with the language. One day I'll put this to the test. When I turn 50 (I still have a couple years) I hope to be comfortable with five languages (Italian, Spanish, French, Turkish, Arabic) and to take a year off and spend time perfecting them while on the road. __________________________________________ I'm also seeing the benefit of using multiple sources. For Turkish, the FSI course has had the best explanation of vowel harmony that I've seen yet. And then it had an excellent section on the various sounds that 'ğ' has (Lesson 10). That alone made the course worthwhile. But the next chapter contained a painfully academic, and confusing, description of verbs in the -ir form. I understood nothing, and I'm hoping that Assimil or Teach Yourself will come to the rescue. __________________________________________ Pimsleur is great for one round, but repeating Pimsleur sucks. I want to reach a level with Italian so that I never have to go back to this level. I think this might be different at higher levels. Pimsleur IV for Spanish and French were fine, and I would totally repeat them to re-activate my speaking skills. At least, I think I would. I'll find out soon enough. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4891 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 210 of 331 31 December 2013 at 10:48am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
OK, brother, I will! Though I was attempting Homeric Greek. Does the offer still stand? I'm hoping that I'll have time this summer to revisit it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4360 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 211 of 331 31 December 2013 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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The offer still stands, although I am no expert.
I have to say, I am a sister rather than a brother :) I have a homeric name, Penelope. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| agantik Triglot Senior Member France Joined 4637 days ago 217 posts - 335 votes Speaks: French*, English, Italian Studies: German, Norwegian | Message 212 of 331 31 December 2013 at 7:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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We're fellow members of the Italian team and I am the Godmother for the French team, so good luck with
your studies ! Et meilleurs vœux pour le TAC 2014! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5558 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 213 of 331 31 December 2013 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Good luck and pomaikaʻi in 2014, brah! These three-week sets sound like a great approach to studying multiple languages (and also remind me that I need to sort out my gym schedule for next year). It was interesting to read your comment about noticing the Japanese "sing-song" intonation during your recent visit to Tokyo. I've been studying various intonational systems over the past semester, and was similarly fascinated to learn how languages like Japanese and Korean use complex "sing-song" pitch-accents to mark prominence and grouping (and French is even more bizarre in this respect!). Edited by Teango on 31 December 2013 at 9:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5011 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 214 of 331 02 January 2014 at 12:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Good luck in 2014, kanewai! It's great to read of your language adventures :-)
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| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4891 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 215 of 331 02 January 2014 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
My bad. ευτυχισμένο το νέο έτος, Πηνελόπη! I also just realized that your screen name is renaissancemedi, and not renaissancemedici. I had pictured you (or your avatar) as some delightfully evil / somewhat dangerous Florentine prince.
I think I've gained about three pounds for every language I've studied this year. It adds up. I'll see you at the gym.
I'd still give it a try - there are five seasons, so obviously a lot of people like it. And I want to like it ... sometimes it's really good, and sometimes it's just stupid. I keep hoping that, in some back room, the good writers will stage a coup and drive the bad writers out of the studio. Other shows have gotten much better their second season!
Did I accidentally delete this post? I swear I read a recommendation from her for Schoenhof's Foreign Books this morning, and came back just now to thank her. Anyway, I found Le Turc at Adler's Foreign Books for a great price, but noticed that Schoenhof's has Assimil Italian for $28. That was a find! Edited by kanewai on 02 January 2014 at 10:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4360 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 216 of 331 02 January 2014 at 9:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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It was supposed to be renaissancemedici (you got it right!), but that had more letters than I was allowed. Think Machiavelli rather than Cesare :)
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