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| dambros Diglot Newbie Brazil Joined 4630 days ago 15 posts - 16 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English | Message 1 of 25 31 March 2012 at 8:22am | IP Logged | ||
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Hi,
I've always wanted to be able to read and comprehend dialogs in japanese, so I'd like to know how long did it take for you guys to learn it? I don't care that much about being able to speak/write (not for now) as I care about being able to understand dialogs and properly read something. Thanks in advance 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Heather McNamar Senior Member United States Joined 4782 days ago 77 posts - 109 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Latin | Message 2 of 25 31 March 2012 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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AJATT.com recommends "Remembering the Kanji" for learning the kanji. If all goes well, it should only
take you a few months to get through them. I also recommend "Remembering the Kana" by the same author. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4678 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German | Message 3 of 25 31 March 2012 at 5:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've always felt "Remembering the Kana" was only published to milk on the sucess of the original... the original kanji books shows hundreds of kanji, and indeed it is useful. But for a hundred of kana, and that you see all the time everywhere, I doubt it's really necessary, money could be better spent.
However, as the OP, I'm also wondering how long it takes to be able to read Japanese. I don't think he was asking how long to read kanji... when I look at a Japanese text, though I can guess some of what it's about (knowing the kanji..), I still don't know what's being said, as the whole grammar in kana is unknown to me. So, how long? I wish it could be rather little time... (sweet dreams) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Heather McNamar Senior Member United States Joined 4782 days ago 77 posts - 109 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Latin | Message 4 of 25 31 March 2012 at 5:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, certainly you could learn the kanji in just a few months, but as far as comprehending the text...as I'm not there yet, I wouldn't know. I would imagine one would need a good grasp of grammar and vocabulary, and that comes with practice.
Perhaps "Remembering the Kana" was for a quick buck, but having struggled for years to get the stroke order of certain kana, I found it a useful investment. But to each his own. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| dambros Diglot Newbie Brazil Joined 4630 days ago 15 posts - 16 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English | Message 5 of 25 31 March 2012 at 5:08pm | IP Logged | ||
You are right, I as asking how long it takes to be ABLE to read Japanese in general, but the title has a character limit so I couldn't fit the word in there :/ I always wanted to be able to follow japanese games/animes without having to guess pretty much 100% of it and since the hardest parts are probably the writing/speak I hope it doesn't require like 400hrs+ for it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5960 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 6 of 25 31 March 2012 at 5:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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It took me about three years of obsessive studying before I was able to read newspapers
with some degree of comfort. To understand a wide range of dialogs takes about as long, but that wasn't my concentration. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5766 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 7 of 25 31 March 2012 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | ||
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First of all, you don't have to be literate in Japanese to understand anime. You need basic grammar and vocabulary, and you need to train your listening skill so that you can write down words you don't understand to look them up in a dictionary. And you need to accept that there's a lot you still won't understand that way.
Secondly, it certainly takes longer than 400 hours to become literate in Japanese, mostly because kanji aren't an isolated phenomenon that can be memorized and then you understand the words using them. Of course they can be memorized up-front, but you'll still need to re-learn them together with the words they are used in (native Japanese and Sinojapanese are usually completely different, plus there are even words of Japanese origin using Sinojapanese roots and loanwords from other languages sometimes written in kanji), the grammar, sentence patterns and speech style they usually are linked to. ETA: Kana took me about a week (read/write without fail, I know people can learn to read them faster). I have no idea how much time I actually spent on reading/kanji recongition/writing practice because my study habits are chaotic and pleasure-driven, and I still can't read newspapers with ease after ... five years? Edited by Bao on 04 April 2012 at 10:37am 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| GeneMachine Triglot Newbie Germany Joined 4684 days ago 16 posts - 40 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC1, Latin Studies: French, Japanese | Message 8 of 25 31 March 2012 at 6:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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Regarding "Remembering the Kana", I have to add that it is indeed a good book and far from milking on the success of Remembering the Kanji. It gives you a decent introduction into stroke order and different writing styles, as well as handing you a decent working set of mnemonics for the individual kana. Of course you do not need it - people learned the kana before and will still be learning the kana when it will be long forgotten. But for about 10 euros, I consider it money well spent.
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