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| manna Groupie Kyrgyzstan Joined 7259 days ago 94 posts - 112 votes  | Message 9 of 23 31 March 2005 at 3:10am | IP Logged | ||
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What level are we talking about? It's also the case that words like fluent, or phrases like understand television are understood differently by different people.
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| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7208 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 10 of 23 31 March 2005 at 9:42am | IP Logged | ||
I do believe him because I learnt French in 6 months with the Pimsleur course alone. I don't speak it perfectly but now I do speak it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Seth Diglot Changed to RedKing’sDream Senior Member United States Joined 7225 days ago 240 posts - 252 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Persian | Message 11 of 23 31 March 2005 at 3:25pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm sorry, but if all you've done is mastered Pimsleur then you don't "know" French in any real meaningful sense.
Not trying to be rude...but one cannot read anything "real," understand television, or speak beyond the most bare basics with a vocaublary of 300-400 words. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Thomaskim Groupie Joined 7270 days ago 84 posts - 85 votes | Message 12 of 23 11 April 2005 at 3:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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As a native speaker of Italian, I was intrigued to read the comments above.
Spanish, Portuguese and Italian are obviously easily accessible to one another. Therefore, theoretically, the means to understand each other are there. It's of course one individual's degree of confidence and readiness to communicate that come into play. I once walked into an elevator in Chicago where a Brazilian couple were chatting (in Portuguese) with a Spanish-speaking Argentinian. No one seemed to go aflutter when I chimed in in Italian. By the same token, I understand that people living in parts of Latin America (such as Mexico or Nicaragua)where Italian and Portuguese are probably seldom heard, rightfully perceive them as more 'foreign' than say a Paulista in Buenos Aires or a Madrileño in Milan. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7208 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 13 of 23 11 April 2005 at 4:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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Comment removed. If you want to see what was it about go here Edited by jradetzky on 13 April 2005 at 9:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Giordano Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7175 days ago 213 posts - 218 votes 3 sounds Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Cantonese, Greek | Message 14 of 23 12 April 2005 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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Certo che no sarà possibile di capiscere tutto como si uno parlava la lingua, però con un poco di attenzione non è problema. Sicuro che il livello di contatto con la lingua in questione influisce la capacità per la communicazione. È vero che quelli spanofoni che hanno meno contatto con il portoghese che con l'inglese avranno più difficoltà, mentre che sarebbe molto più facile per un Madrileno (chi è esposto al Portoghese). Ma questa situazione è presente pure nell'Italia in sè.
Per esempio, il dialetto veneziano è una vera lingua separata, più vicino allo Spagnolo e Francese che al Italiano, e quello napoletano è molto influenzate dal Sardo, però tutti i Italiani capiscono il veneziano e anche il napoletano, perché ci sta una grandissima somiglianza fra tutte le lingue romanzesche, e perché tutti i Italiani hanno contatti con questi dialetti nei film, nel televisione, e nella cultura popolare. Translation: Certainly, it would be impossible to understand everything as a native speaker would, but with a bit of attention, it isn't a problem. Obviously, a speaker's exposure to the language in question influences their ability to communicate in it. It is true that a native Spanish speaker who was exposed to less Portuguese than English would have difficulty, while it would likely be much easier for a Madrilean (who has probably had exposure to Portuguese). But this situation exists in Italy itself. For example, the Venetian dialect is a true and separate language, closer to Spanish and French than to Italian, and the Neapolitan dialect is greatly influenced by Sard (sidenote: what I meant to say there was, greatly influenced by Arabic, Spanish, and in ancient times Greek and Phoenecian, like Sard), but all Italians understand both Venetian and Neapolitan, because there are vast similarities between romance languages, and because all Italians have much contact with these dialects in film, television, and popular culture. Edited by Giordano on 14 April 2005 at 5:52pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7208 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 15 of 23 12 April 2005 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Comment removed. If you want to see what was it about go here (including Giordano's and Thomaskin's contributions. Edited by jradetzky on 13 April 2005 at 10:17am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Thomaskim Groupie Joined 7270 days ago 84 posts - 85 votes | Message 16 of 23 13 April 2005 at 2:44am | IP Logged | ||
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Ok ti traduco in italiano questo testo:
¿Pero qué tan accesibles son? Seguro que hay algunas palabras del italiano y del portugués que entiendo cuando las oigo o cuando las leo, pero en una conversación normal no podría captar todo lo que se dice. Forzosamente requeriría un entrenamiento previo en el idioma en cuestión. En cuando a que el portugués es completamente extraño para la gente de Centro y Sudamérica tienes razón. Por estos lugares se entiende más el inglés. Responde a este comentario en italiano para ver qué tanto has podido captar de este mensaje. Però quanto accessibili sono? Sicuro che esistono alcune parole dell'italiano e del portoghese que intendo quando le sento (odo) e quando le leggo, però in una conversazione normale non potrei captare tutto quello che si dice.Forzatamente richiederebbe un 'training' previo dell'idioma in questione. In quanto al fatto che portoghese sia completamente estraneo alla gente del Centro e Sudamerica hai ragione. Rispondi a questo commento in italiano per vedere quanto hai potuto captare di questo messaggio Tu hai captato delle similitudini? Nota che la grafia QU è come lo spagnolo CU e CH come QU !!! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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