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| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5565 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 41 of 70 30 May 2012 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Sophie Ellis Bextor comes from Hounslow, which is in Middlesex - on the other side of London to Essex.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 42 of 70 30 May 2012 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5453 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 43 of 70 30 May 2012 at 10:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Today's news on Pippa: 1) La justicia británica rechaza el recurso de Assange y da luz verde a su extradición http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2012/05/29/act ualidad/ 1338318003_953054.html 2) Detenido el exportavoz de Cameron por el escándalo del ‘News of the World’ http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2012/05/30/act ualidad/ 1338377998_753212.html 3) ICI LONDRES – La sixième ville française est anglaise http://bigbrowser.blog.lemonde.fr/2012/05/30/ici-londres-la- sixieme-ville-francaise-est-anglaise/ 4) Julian Assange peut être extradé vers la Suède http://www.lemonde.fr/technologie s/article/2012/05/30/julian-assange-peut-etre-extrade-vers-l a- suede_1709339_651865.html 5) News of the World : un ancien conseiller de Cameron arrêté http://www.lefig aro.fr/international/2012/05/30/01003-20120530ARTFIG00496--n ews-of-the-world-un- ancien-conseiller- de-cameron-arrete.php 6) Hollande et Cameron veulent accroître la pression sur Assad http://www.lefigaro.fr/in ternational/2012/05/28/01003-20120528ARTFIG00318-l-onu-conda mne-damas- pour-la-tuerie-de-h oula.php Edited by tractor on 30 May 2012 at 10:28pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| COF Senior Member United States Joined 5831 days ago 262 posts - 354 votes Speaks: English* | Message 44 of 70 31 May 2012 at 4:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I think people also forget, or perhaps are not aware that being "English" is not a cohesive nationality and culture in the same way that being Spanish is not a cohesive nationality.
In some respects, England is an artificial nation that has been unified in a similar way that Italy was unified. There are sometimes quite vast and unexpected cultural and linguistic differences across England's regions, and the range of different dialects you hear is quite suprising for a relatively small, densely populated country. For example, England as a country is far less homogenous than Poland. In Poland, there isn't a huge amount of difference between the different regions. The accent is very similar and the culture is very similar. This is not so in England. Everyone in England can obviously speak "Standard English", but when people from different regions start speaking their local dialect, often it can sound like a totally different language, even to natives, and it must sound really odd to a learner who has learnt RP from a textbook and then is suddenly spoken to in broad Scouse or Goerdie. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5565 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 45 of 70 31 May 2012 at 4:55pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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To use a Glaswegianism - that is utter pish.
How is England 'an artificial nation that has been unified in a similar way that Italy was unified'? - Italy was a series of separate city states with separate princes that were joined in the 19th century AD wave of nationalism resulting from the collapse of Napoleonic expansion. On the other hand England emerged out the conquest of the Saxon and Danish kingdoms under the Wessex kings Alfred, Aethelstan and Aedred in the 9th and 10th centuries AD and then progressively so after the Norman conquest. Contrary to your ever increasingly wild and inaccurate posts here, England is one of the most culturally homogeneous nations in the world - more so than France, Spain or Germany - strong accents aside (and strong accents exist everywhere), compared to those countries there is very little regional difference and there is certainly is a sense of being English. In fact many English people bemoan the cultural cohesiveness of England to the extent that they are complaining about the 'clone town effect' (all towns look the same) or search out old books to try and find what little traces of regional folk culture that survive. Or are you confusing the political entity known as 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' with England? 13 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4665 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 46 of 70 31 May 2012 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
We can go ahead and add them to the "unfriendly natives" list, I suppose! :-) 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zdri Newbie United States Joined 6279 days ago 29 posts - 74 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian | Message 47 of 70 31 May 2012 at 7:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It took me a long time before I could identify the Canadian accent. I still only hear it in some words, most famously the word "about." I don't think it's just a matter of familiarity, Canadians sounds almost exactly like us. It's easier to tell if somebody is Canadian by asking directions and seeing if they use the word kilometers or miles. The only time I found it easy to hear the Canadian accent is when I went on a vacation at Prince Edward Island. On that island, many people have a thick accent that sounds more like a cross between Scottish and Irish than Canadian. The people also look very Scottish. I get the impression they emigrated from Scotland and their culture has remained almost unchanged since then.
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| PillowRock Groupie United States Joined 4734 days ago 87 posts - 151 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 48 of 70 31 May 2012 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's what I would assume. A lot of Americans (though obviously far from all) tend to say "England" when they mean "the UK". It's an error that is a bit similar to the old issue of many Americans saying "Russia" when they meant "the USSR" (obviously, I'm talking about when the USSR still existed). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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