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| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6234 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 17 of 34 23 July 2012 at 2:18am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Thanks Chung! That table is a big help. That is along the lines of what I was looking for.
Very interesting. How did you get by with the case endings? Did your ear get used to them after a while? This is somewhat inspiring to me because I was hoping to tackle Bulgarian at some point. It is nice to know my Russian will give me a least a little "discount" towards Bulgarian.
Which would you say is considered more "standard" Bulgarian; the Western or the Eastern variety? (I know... this thread has veered off course into the " mutual intelligibility" realm... but that's OK, I had a feeling it might!) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Einarr Tetraglot Senior Member United Kingdom einarrslanguagelog.w Joined 4618 days ago 118 posts - 269 votes Speaks: English, Bulgarian*, French, Russian Studies: Swedish | Message 18 of 34 23 July 2012 at 9:00am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Bulgaria certainly isn't like Norway language - wise. Meaning that we do have quite a lot accents for such a small country as well, yet, you will(almost) never hear an accent different than the standard one on the news for instance. By saying the standard one, I refer to the one spoken in Sofia, and mostly in Western Bulgaria. Now that many people from other cities massively migrate to Sofia, chances are that you'll be hearing enough of every other accent of the country. For instance, at work, most of my colleagues aren't from Western Bulgaria, therefore quite a lot of accents are present. I must admit that some are even, well let's say fancy even for me, considering that I'm a person that likes observing and digging into different accents. Now, if a foreigner wants to learn Bulgarian, they will most likely, be taught the Western accent. Yet if they want to experiment with other accents, the vast majority will probably like to visit Plovdiv, Varna, Rousse and Smolian. I think that even the non-trained ear will notice the difference (most overwhelmingly in Rousse). Bear in mind that there's a part of Western Bulgaria, where the town of Tran is positioned, where they speak Bulgarian, that is very difficult to understand by the natives as well, so if you're a "language extremist" :), you might fancy paying a visit there. In conclusion, if I have to generalize, the Western accent sounds way harder, while the Easter you go the sound of the language would normally sound softer. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4864 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 19 of 34 23 July 2012 at 9:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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@a3 - Don't you exaggerate this? Well, you're Bulgarian, so maybe you're right, but am I
wrong thinking that the one only one really important reduction is това --> тува? Btw., I wish I heard Bulgarian from Romania with its specific pronunciation and word formation :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5261 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 20 of 34 23 July 2012 at 11:13am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
You don't really need case endings to get the meaning when you have a lot of words linked in a meaningful text. Just see by yourself:
I'd have to disagree with Einarr - in my opinion the unoficial norm is to speak with a somewhat moderate vowel reduction, but that's may be because I'm from central Bulgaria, when we speak with moderate to strong reduction and I'm used to hear it when used. In the cases when I listen to radio and TV, again I hear at least some reduction, depending on the speaker.
That's may be because you have listened to somebody who used reduction only in this word. Depending on who are you listening to, there may be no reduction at all, a very strong reduction, or anything in between. Here you can find some TV shows in the Banat dialect, as well as the newspaper Náša glás. Be aware though, this dialect is somewhat difficult even to me as a native speaker to understand. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4864 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 21 of 34 23 July 2012 at 2:57pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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А3, благодаря. И не мислях само за тази дума, но за всичките редукции с о --> у
(for others to feel comfortable: A3, thank you. And I haven't thought only about this word, but about every reductions of o into u) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Kartof Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5071 days ago 391 posts - 550 votes Speaks: English*, Bulgarian*, Spanish Studies: Danish | Message 22 of 34 27 July 2012 at 8:34pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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The most important reductions are the "a" to "ъ" and the "o" to "y" reductions, both of
which are pretty much mandatory in the common language. The "e" to "и" reduction is only common in Eastern dialects, but that's well over half the territory of Bulgaria and at least half the population so I'd consider that important too. I speak an Eastern dialect and I rarely notice when someone reduces or doesn't reduce their vowels; the yat boundary is much more noticeable in differentiating dialects along regional lines. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4864 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 23 of 34 28 July 2012 at 4:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Oh, right, but it's already so natural for me that I forget about it :D 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 24 of 34 28 July 2012 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I used to think the Bulgarian name for the country is pronounced Blgarija with a syllabic L :DDD Edited by Serpent on 28 July 2012 at 5:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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