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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 9 of 34 11 September 2012 at 4:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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I personally use groups of 7.
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5766 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 10 of 34 11 September 2012 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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In my case wordlists are better for initial acquisiton, especially with Iversen's ingenious idea of force-cleaning your working memory. Flash cards are better for things like practicing how to write Chinese characters, remembering tones, gender etc - information that is relevant to the language, but that easily deteriorates in my memory because I can't yet use the language at a level at which this information becomes natural to remember. (I guess randomly compiled quizzes from such flash cards would also be a helpful addition.)
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 34 11 September 2012 at 5:16pm | IP Logged | ||
I don't have this problem with sentence cards, btw - I'm just glad to see the 'old friends' again <333 As I'm not memorizing an entire sentence, the emphasis is on refreshing it in my memory: does it feel familiar by now? does it feel natural? would I come up with a similar sentence on my own? I voted for flash cards but I almost don't use them for single words. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4671 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes Speaks: English* | Message 12 of 34 12 September 2012 at 5:39am | IP Logged | ||
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Has anyone ever used an SRS to space their lists? I wonder if that would be more effective.
Some sample vocabulary learning techniques: A) The Word Brain suggests that we should "Learn new words on day 0 and repeat them on day 1, 3, 6, 10, 17, and 31." If we do this, when we become fully saturated (day 31 and on) we will be learning 20 words a day and reviewing 6 old lists of 20 words each, or doing 120 reviews a day. B) I learned 20 words a day with anki earlier this year. It took about 2 months to reach 100 reviews, but about 3 weeks after that it was close to 200. C) Last year, with word lists I did 50 words on day 0, and reviewed on days 1 and 2, for about 2 months. I got exposed to a hell of a lot of vocab that way, but even thought I was doing a lot of reading and listening, I felt that it didn't stick very well. I might try something like A), since B) spirals out of control fairly quickly. C) wasn't very satisfying for me. I suspect the real answer is to either stop trying to learn so much vocabulary in one day, or be satisfied with things not sticking as well. Edited by Wulfgar on 12 September 2012 at 6:15am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6582 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 13 of 34 12 September 2012 at 6:49am | IP Logged | ||
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Ok, so to be clear, in this poll "flashcards" = "SRS"? Because I was about to vote for "flashcards" but if that means SRS I'm not sure. I grew out of love with SRS some time ago but I still love flashcards. Creating a deck of flashcards for all the new words in a certain text, practicing them on and off until you feel you've "got it" (whilst working in other ways with the text) and then deleting the deck would not count as "flashcards" for this poll? Would it count as a list? Or neither?
Sorry to be a nitpick, but in my mind there's a big difference between "flashcards" and "SRS" and if this poll is to be representative we need to know what we're voting on. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6703 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 14 of 34 12 September 2012 at 10:47am | IP Logged | ||
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SRS is the electronic equivalent to flashcards, and the most known SRS system is Anki. In the electronic systems it is some kind of mathematical formula which determine the distance between repetitions (with longer and longer intervals), while it is the thickness of the stack and your diligence alone which determine when you will see a given flashcard again. So that's a relevant difference. And as Ari points out there is also a lot of difference between sitting with a stack of physical cards in you hand and seeing some words flashing by on a screen - it's for the exact same reason I do my wordlists on paper with oldfashioned coloured pens and not on my computer in Word or Excel.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 15 of 34 12 September 2012 at 11:07am | IP Logged | ||
I tend to get there naturally by speaking/writing so I never bother with this. I just make the wordlists and if they show up again I'll use them. Most words require only a few repetitions to really sink in for me :). It makes Anki a little superfluous so I definitely just prefer wordlists. If I've seen it twice, I'll use it well. Edited by tarvos on 12 September 2012 at 11:08am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4873 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 16 of 34 12 September 2012 at 11:14am | IP Logged | ||
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I think I should start to use lists to drill readings of new Japanese words I add. When
using a dictionary, I tend to just copy the words, definitions and example sentences without paying close attention to the reading. Writing on paper has never been my strengths; I suffer from nistagmus, albinism and something in latin which I don't remember. The former do affect precision based activities such as handwriting, thus handwriting becomes a burden and makes me focus more on the writing that what the heck I'm writing. I will also start just adding 10 words a day instead of 20-30 because there is absolutely no chance that I can keep up with that. With German, it is different though, because then I only need to remember the word and its meaning, instead of meaning and reading. I prefer SRS though, because I don't have to spend much time writing out lists and I do not use Norwegian/English definitions anymore in German and Japanese, which would make it more difficult and time consuming to write those lists. SRSing kanji has helped lots though. Even if I don't encounter them often, I still have a retention rate of >80%, and it would be a waste testing those 80% too often... Edited by stifa on 12 September 2012 at 11:18am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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