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Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4842 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian
| Message 25 of 78 04 November 2012 at 2:15pm | IP Logged |
Teango wrote:
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I'm not too sure on the grammar there, but maybe someone else who reads this might feel free to jump in. |
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Hey Teango, good to see you're back! I've really enjoyed your former logs and I think this is an interesting experiment. Best of luck for your studies and your new life on Hawaii!
I'll try to answer tarvos's question. I'm not 100 % sure about the situation in Irish, but Scottish Gaelic handles verbs this way: There's no infinitive at all! The present tense is constructed by using the so-called 'verbal noun':
"Tha mi a' fuireach ann an Alba" ("I live in Scotland") literally means: "Am I at living in Scotland."
The construction is: present tense of "to be" + preposition "at" + verbal noun of the verb.
By the way, there are two words for 'to be' in Gaelic as well: "is" and "bi" (present form: "tha"). One is used for definitions: "Is mise Seumas" ("I am James"), the other one for descriptions: "Tha mi leisg" ("I am lazy").
I hope this helped a little bit. Slàn leibh, fellow lovers of the Celtic languages!
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 26 of 78 04 November 2012 at 2:47pm | IP Logged |
That doesn't sound like Breton does it the same way then. Still it's a very different way
of expressing tense than you find in, say, Germanic or Romance (or even Slavic
languages).
Edited by tarvos on 04 November 2012 at 3:02pm
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| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7013 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map
| Message 27 of 78 04 November 2012 at 10:52pm | IP Logged |
Teango wrote:
@patuco
It's an honour to have you drop in, and I'll be starting the project today. |
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Thanks for the comment (if I was a girl, I'm sure that I'd have blushed), but I'm not worthy of anyone's honour.
I'm curious about a couple of things:
1. What study materials do you intend on using?
2. Do you think that once you start on something, you'll get too engrossed and spend more than 10 minutes? In which case, will you have enough time to study 10 languages daily?
Kerrie wrote:
patuco wrote:
Serpent wrote:
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
In fact this is the first 10 languages at the same time experiment I have seen which is likely to succeed.
Best of luck!! |
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Ahem, I also have 10+ languages on my list:) and I'm doing 8 super challenges and so does Kerrie. and one of Teango's languages is his native language. |
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Doesn't look like Cristina thinks much of either of your efforts, does she? ;) |
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Patuco, I don't know who you are (and I really don't care), but please don't disrespect me like that. |
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My, my, I didn't think that an, apparently disrespectful, tongue-in-cheek comment would cause such a disrespectful reaction.
In order to assist with your understanding, this might help with the first part of your comment. As for the middle part, don't worry, life's too short to care about most things anyway.
P.S. Teango, sorry for derailing this thread. If you wish to discuss "cleansing options", please PM me.
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5554 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 28 of 78 05 November 2012 at 1:08am | IP Logged |
@Josquin
Thanks for your kind words of support, and also for helping us get to grips with grammar. Your examples in Scottish Gaelic look very close to Irish. :)
patuco wrote:
I'm curious about a couple of things:
1. What study materials do you intend on using?
2. Do you think that once you start on something, you'll get too engrossed and spend more than 10 minutes? In which case, will you have enough time to study 10 languages daily? |
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1. I'm actually working on my resources at the moment. Sadly there's no "Assimil with Ease" for languages like Hawaiian and Irish, and Pidgin has little in the way of tv or films. The biggest shocker however is that buying foreign language books here in Oahu is trickier than I first anticipated. We only have one bookstore on the island, as the other one closed down last year, and it's VERY limited. They just told me today that they rarely, if ever, stock any novels or audiobooks in foreign languages *gulp*. This is crazy if you consider the amazing melting pot of cultures here. So I'm going through what I've brought with me in the suitcase now, and am hoping Amazon might be able to ship out some more materials before I run out. I also found a section in a shop called Shirokiya in the Ala Moana Centre that stores Japanese materials. I'll go into a little more detail and list what I'm using very soon.
2. Uhu...that's already happened! I aim to put in at least 10 minutes for each language every working day, but it's hard enough to fit in 2 hours around work and study as it is. However once I get stuck into a good book or tv series, it's not so easy to pull away and begin another language, which may well end up in me putting in a few more minutes if I can. I've heard that leaving on a curious note, where you want to continue and find out what happens next, can be a good motivational strategy in the long-term...just think of all those potential cliffhangers. ;)
Edited by Teango on 05 November 2012 at 2:26am
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5554 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 29 of 78 05 November 2012 at 2:22am | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
...and one of Teango's languages is his native language. |
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Fixed (I've amended the list in my first post, so it's now 10 non-native languages)! Please welcome Spanish to the stage... :)
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| zhanglong Senior Member United States Joined 4927 days ago 322 posts - 427 votes Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese
| Message 30 of 78 05 November 2012 at 10:20am | IP Logged |
patuco wrote:
I'm curious about a couple of things:
1. What study materials do you intend on using?
2. Do you think that once you start on something, you'll get too engrossed and spend more than 10 minutes? In which case, will you have enough time to study 10 languages daily? |
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1. I'm actually working on my resources at the moment. Sadly there's no "Assimil with Ease" for languages like Hawaiian and Irish, and Pidgin has little in the way of tv or films. The biggest shocker however is that buying foreign language books here in Oahu is trickier than I first anticipated. We only have one bookstore on the island, as the other one closed down last year, and it's VERY limited. They just told me today that they rarely, if ever, stock any novels or audiobooks in foreign languages *gulp*. This is crazy if you consider the amazing melting pot of cultures here. So I'm going through what I've brought with me in the suitcase now, and am hoping Amazon might be able to ship out some more materials before I run out. I also found a section in a shop called Shirokiya in the Ala Moana Centre that stores Japanese materials. I'll go into a little more detail and list what I'm using very soon.
2. Uhu...that's already happened! I aim to put in at least 10 minutes for each language every working day, but it's hard enough to fit in 2 hours around work and study as it is. However once I get stuck into a good book or tv series, it's not so easy to pull away and begin another language, which may well end up in me putting in a few more minutes if I can. I've heard that leaving on a curious note, where you want to continue and find out what happens next, can be a good motivational strategy in the long-term...just think of all those potential cliffhangers. ;) |
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I can empathize. Some of the languages I am interested in have little to no written learning materials, since they are learned at your mother and father's knee. Also, it's really difficult to break away in the middle of something when you are completely involved in it. I am currently working on Tibetan as one of my secondary languages using the Ten Minute Method and find it so hard to break away at the ten minute mark.
Anyway, best of luck, fellow traveler.
Edited by zhanglong on 05 November 2012 at 12:30pm
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 31 of 78 05 November 2012 at 3:48pm | IP Logged |
Teango wrote:
I've heard that leaving on a curious note, where you want to continue and find out what happens next, can be a good motivational strategy in the long-term...just think of all those potential cliffhangers. ;) |
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I find this discouraging..cognitive dissonance comes into play, so if I don't get where I want no matter how much I read, I'm starting to pretend it's not worth it and not that interesting anyway.
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5554 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 32 of 78 12 November 2012 at 6:05am | IP Logged |
@zhanglong
Thanks, and good luck with finding Tibetan resources. What are you using at the moment?
@Serpent
It's early days yet, but I'm finding this 10-minute approach really motivating actually. I always want to find out what happens next, and therefore jump into the text and film with eagerness on successive days. I also recall reading a fascinating study about how leaving a lesson or task part-completed, as in my cliffhanger example, improves not only motivation to continue, but also long-term memory of the event. I've forgotten who wrote this paper now, but if I find it again, I'll post a link to it up here.
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