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DarrenDaka Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4774 days ago 28 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German
| Message 1 of 17 02 December 2012 at 8:43pm | IP Logged |
Hey guys,
I just want a little advice. I want to move my Polish into a B2-C1 level I have a strong grasp of Polish and have done my GCSE in Polish. I think that my problems with the cases is going to hold me back from ataining a B2-C1 level. Any tips regarding the cases. Also anything else I can do to get a B2-C1 level??
Edited by DarrenDaka on 02 December 2012 at 8:48pm
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| Gosiak Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5126 days ago 241 posts - 361 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, German Studies: Norwegian, Welsh
| Message 2 of 17 02 December 2012 at 9:52pm | IP Logged |
Congratulations on your GCSE. I must admit that I have no specific advice for you but I think that knowing that Polish children spend lots of grammar lessons mastering cases could be comforting for you, you're not alone. I remember that I completed countless number of exercises on cases and had to pass many short tests, we were given several words to decline or had to identify and give all properties of those words. There are several groups of nouns that are declined the same way, it's better to decline a noun together with an adjective - you get to remember 2 in 1 exercise.
Did you try to watch some films in Polish, read an online newspaper or read a book? It helps one to get beyond B1 level. Do you have a favourite Polish band? Maybe translating the lyrics would be of some interest to you?
I found Polish films with English subtitles on youtube
Nic śmiesznego
Demony wojny wg Goi
Psy 2
Psy
Akademia Pana Kleksa
There surely is more but I couldn't find it just now.
Edit: Just out of curiosity, why did you choose to learn Polish?
Edited by Gosiak on 02 December 2012 at 10:05pm
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| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5262 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French)
| Message 3 of 17 02 December 2012 at 10:17pm | IP Logged |
A belated, but enthusiastic, welcome to the forum, DarrenDaka. The best advice on the forum, on how to go from where you are to where you want to be is member emk's log: French: Taking it to the next level.
Yes, I know, it's not Polish and it has nothing at all to do with the case system. There is great advice here in members' language logs- even if they aren't about your own target language. A read of emk's log, from the beginning, will show the extent and effort he put into reaching B2 from where you are. Though his log deals with French, his advice is pertinent, adaptable and relevant to anyone who would like to "Break Out of Any Beginner's 'X' Language".
Almost every language throws up a barrier that you simply must master if you want to advance your language into a high realm. In the Romance languages, it's the subjunctive. In your situation, it's the case system. In all languages, it is going from a halting and limited speech and vocabulary to a more fluid and intelligent language use. There's no substitute for facing your problem(s) head on and working on it. Ignoring it and continuing to do the same thing, hoping for a change, is not a recipe for success.
To get to B2-C1 is going to require a lot of work and the progress will be on a slower rise compared to going from 0 to A2. Part of the problem for most learners comes from the lack of a faithful friend (your course) to help guide you and nurture you along the way. You have to design your own course using the language you've already learned as your foundation upon which to build your strong building- brick by brick. Getting to those next levels will make your language infinitely more fun and rewarding for you in all aspects of your language interaction. Work hard, study well and, most of all, enjoy the journey on your way to your destination. Good luck!
Edited by iguanamon on 03 December 2012 at 1:06am
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| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5009 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian
| Message 4 of 17 03 December 2012 at 12:09am | IP Logged |
Not that I knew Polish, but my few tips on mastering the cases in languages (in my case
Latin, German and my native Czech)
1.read books. Having read a huge pile of books in Polish, you will have a much better
"feel" for what is correct. You will have seen numerous examples, most of them
repeatedly.
2.anki or another srs. exemple of using (on Latin because I don't know Polish):
question:vena sg answer:vena,venae,venam,etc. Put the model words, exemples and
troublesome words in it. It worked the best for my French conjugations of difficult
verbs (especially in difficult and less common forms)
3.do a lot of exercises you can get corrected (self study exercise books are really
helpful here)
4.not sure how common has that been in your resources and classes but move from
learning of the kind "third form is ...". It is useful in the beginnings but it does
have obvious limits. Study examples of more words together when you can. You will
remember more easily both the proper form and proper use. Similarily to this, you can
use mnemotechnics and learning funny examples which will surely stick in your brain.
Grammar is surely not the only thing you need to master to get to B2/C1 but covering
your gaps in the basics is a very wise first step. Good luck and enjoy the journey, as
iguanamnon well said.
P.S. Have I already recommended you to read? I know I did. But again: read! :-)
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| pesahson Diglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5728 days ago 448 posts - 840 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: French, Portuguese, Norwegian
| Message 5 of 17 03 December 2012 at 12:11pm | IP Logged |
To add to the movies that Gosiak mentioned you can find two brilliant Polish movies on YT as well:
Przesłuchanie/Interrogation
The Saragossa Manuscript
I recommend them both.
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| Marikki Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 5495 days ago 130 posts - 210 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Spanish, Swedish Studies: German
| Message 6 of 17 03 December 2012 at 3:17pm | IP Logged |
Cavesa wrote:
1.read books. Having read a huge pile of books in Polish, you will have a much better
"feel" for what is correct. You will have seen numerous examples, most of them
repeatedly.
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Read 25 - 35 books ( at least 10000 pages) and you'll notice that what used to be difficult has become easy
and natural.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 7 of 17 03 December 2012 at 11:37pm | IP Logged |
Marikki wrote:
Cavesa wrote:
1.read books. Having read a huge pile of books in Polish, you will have a much better
"feel" for what is correct. You will have seen numerous examples, most of them
repeatedly.
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Read 25 - 35 books ( at least 10000 pages) and you'll notice that what used to be difficult has become easy
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Yeah how about a Super Challenge? ;)
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| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4701 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese
| Message 8 of 17 03 December 2012 at 11:48pm | IP Logged |
Sounds more like a Mega Challenge... 25-35 books. If I'd attempt that in Japanese, OMG. Sometimes I wonder if I should be thankful Japanese native material does exist in such masses, or if I should cry because they did such a miserable job stealing the script from China. Reading 10.000 pages of Japanese would take me forever.
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