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| Gomorritis Tetraglot Groupie Netherlands Joined 4276 days ago 91 posts - 157 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English, Catalan, French Studies: Greek, German, Dutch | Message 201 of 231 24 March 2013 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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This phrase is in one of my Greek readers: "Είναι συνέχεια σ'ένα blog μαγειρικής έθνικ."
What sense does it make to use a Greek word like έθνικ but ending as a foreign word? Is it a loanword? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4356 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 202 of 231 25 March 2013 at 10:16am | IP Logged | ||
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It is very widely used as a term, meaning exactly what it means in English. If you use the original greek word, εθνικός, it means "national", as in national team.
A word that was originally greek, then was used by a foreign language and then we took it back from the FL, is called αντιδάνειο in grammar. I googled it and found this English term: repatriated loans (I don't know if it's correct though). 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Gomorritis Tetraglot Groupie Netherlands Joined 4276 days ago 91 posts - 157 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, Catalan, French Studies: Greek, German, Dutch | Message 203 of 231 26 March 2013 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you for your help.
Today a Greek native told me that άδεια meaning empty is not pronounced the same as άδεια meaning license. Is this possible? I thought pronunciation of Greek was unambiguously determined by spelling! It would be very bad news for me if this is true... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4356 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 204 of 231 27 March 2013 at 8:24am | IP Logged | ||
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Your friend is right. The empty meaning is pronounced as if the -δει- syllable was short, and the licence/permission is pronounced normally (long). I have no idea why, but even if you pronounce them the same it's ok, people get the meaning from the rest of the phrase.
Another example is this: γγ Άγγελος pronounced hard g or ng on occasion Συγγνώμη pronounced γ Εγγενής pronounced kind of like νγ I heard Μπαμπινιωτης, in an interview somewhere who said that the only reason for those differences in pronounciation is usage and habit. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gomorritis Tetraglot Groupie Netherlands Joined 4276 days ago 91 posts - 157 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, Catalan, French Studies: Greek, German, Dutch | Message 205 of 231 29 March 2013 at 5:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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Ah, yes, actually I already knew about the different pronunciations of γγ, but I thought it depended on the speaker
or maybe the region of Greece rather than on the word. So it depends on the word then? Or maybe on both? And I think also ντ can have different pronunciations, either just a plosive "d", or a "n" followed by a plosive "d". I once heard a Greek order a φρέντο εσπρέσσο pronouncing a strong "n" in φρέντο, which it's not the way the Italian word is pronounced, and also not how other Greeks say it... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| embici Triglot Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4608 days ago 263 posts - 370 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Greek | Message 206 of 231 30 March 2013 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | ||
I heard that the further you get from Athens it tends to be pronounced like a hard g and in Athens more like an ng. I'd like to hear what our native Greek-speaking friends here have to say. I've had a number of different Greek tutors via Skype lately and sometimes they contradict each other. For example, one told me I should never say εννιά only εννέα (nine). Another told me that εννέα is not really used at all so I should say εννιά. I've always found it interesting how foreign words are used in different languages. I love the way some words sound when they are Greekified. Two that caught my attention lately were: τιρμπουσό and σεζ-λόνγκ. Edit: small typo. Edited by embici on 02 April 2013 at 3:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gomorritis Tetraglot Groupie Netherlands Joined 4276 days ago 91 posts - 157 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, Catalan, French Studies: Greek, German, Dutch | Message 207 of 231 05 April 2013 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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I read "Διακοπές στη Σαντορίνη" twice already. I thought it was an enjoyable story, and not very hard to read.
Now I'm reading "Το μοντέλο που ήξερε πολλά", which is a bit harder, even though both books are suposed to be επίπεδο 3. It might have as much as 7-8 unknown words in every page, in comparisson to 3-4 in "Διακοπές στη Σαντορίνη". Also, I recorded myself reading a chapter of the book, hehe. It sounded much better to me when I was reading it than when I listened to my own recording. I think it all sounds too Spanish! I probably also read it way too fast, probably I should read slower for now so I can better focus in the pronunciation. Truth is that I got excited lately with my reading fluency, because one month ago I couldn't even read Greek at half that speed. I am much more used to the Greek alphabet now. https://soundcloud.com/gomorrite/ho3gkinzyjln By the way, do you people listen to Greek music? Maybe we could create a thread to share Greek music if anyone is interested? Edited by Gomorritis on 09 April 2013 at 5:19pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| embici Triglot Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4608 days ago 263 posts - 370 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Greek | Message 208 of 231 06 April 2013 at 10:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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A music thread sounds like a great idea, Gomorritis. I listen to internet radio from
Greece quite often. I get a nice feeling of satisfaction when I can make out the words. For the longest time lyrics just seemed totally incomprehensible except for those words that appear in every song: σ'αγαπώ. :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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