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| Jarel Diglot Groupie Turkey Joined 4325 days ago 57 posts - 77 votes  Speaks: Turkish*, English Studies: Italian, German | Message 9 of 18 14 June 2013 at 11:00am | IP Logged | ||
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If we follow that schedule it means i will have to apply each step to every lesson 10 times. If the idea is to go through an Assimil book in 90 days; i don't see it viable. I would rather apply a new step after repeating the previous one twice. Such schedule would be;
Day 1 Blind Shadow lesson 1 Day 2 Blind Shadow lesson 1 and 2 Day 3 Blind Shadow lesson 2 and 3 Shadow and read English Transcription 1 Day 4 Blind Shadow lesson 3 and 4 Shadow and read English Transcription 1 and 2 and so on. Ideally I'd eventually reach a point where i have 10 lessons a day to do; and no more. And i'd be applying steps 6 to 12 to lessons i'm done shadowing. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 10 of 18 14 June 2013 at 2:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5864 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 11 of 18 14 June 2013 at 3:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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For Basque, for example, Assimil is one of my main resources. When listening a lot of times i can't make out words until i've seen them. Today i tried starting looking at the Basque (after having compared the translations and read the notes) and gradually working my way to the Spanish and by the end it felt like i'd learned the material much better, though it could be because i studied the lesson twice as long today (once normally and once again after reading some of the posts here).
I'm curious how the actual shadowing is supposed to work, should i be translating or just trying to repeat what i hear while reading? It's difficult to concentrate on all three at once, listening, shadowing, and reading. I think it'd be a good way to improve your active recall of words and grammar since i've been finding i can recognize words and understand sentences but can't actively recall them. And especially with the participles and conjugations i've been relying more on context to understand them. Actively producing them i think would make it easier to remember them. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 12 of 18 14 June 2013 at 4:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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You definitely shouldn't be translating. Ideally you should be understanding, but not necessarily every single word. They should just sound clear enough for you to be able to shadow them.
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| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5864 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 13 of 18 14 June 2013 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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Ok, so what i say should be based more off what i hear than what i read. That's something i always wondered about. I'll try it out tomorrow, thanks!
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 14 of 18 15 June 2013 at 12:29am | IP Logged | ||
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Here is Professor Arguelles' own text description (also of Scriptorium):
Shadowing & Scriptorium and for reference, here are his own links to his videos: Prof. Arguelles' videos He lists 3 about shadowing, under "Other Methodological Videos:" In addition, there is also a short (about 1 minute) video of him demonstrating shadowing Mandarin, while walking back and forth across a bridge: bridge shadowing video You can also find a few shadowing videos on Youtube by other people. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 15 of 18 15 June 2013 at 2:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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Anthony Lauder's take on Shadowing:
How to Listen 003 - Shadowing Steve Kauffmann: The language learning technique of shadowing. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6908 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 16 of 18 15 June 2013 at 3:42pm | IP Logged | ||
It does? The only step I see is being applied several times is blind shadowing, and that's only because Arguelles doesn't progress to the next step until he has blind shadowed a fair share of the language (e.g. ten Assimil lessons). The amount of lessons you'd be studying each day would vary depending on the number of steps, how many times you're applying each step, and how many lessons you're blind shadowing before actually studying the content. My example (based on Arguelles' ten lessons, and then a new step per day): Day 1: Blind shadow lesson 1 Day 2: Blind shadow lessons 1-2 Day 3: Blind shadow lessons 1-3 Day 4: Blind shadow lessons 1-4 Day 5: Blind shadow lessons 1-5 Day 6: Blind shadow lessons 1-6 Day 7: Blind shadow lessons 1-7 Day 8: Blind shadow lessons 1-8 Day 9: Blind shadow lessons 1-9 Day 10: Blind shadow lessons 1-10 Day 11: Blind shadow lessons 2-11, read L1 - lesson 1 Day 12: Blind shadow lessons 3-12, read L1 - lesson 2, read L1 and have a look at L2 - lesson 1 Day 13: Blind shadow lessons 4-13, read L1 - lesson 3, read L1 and have a look at L2 - lesson 2, read L2 and have a look at L1 - lesson 1 Day 14: Blind shadow lessons 5-14, read L1 - lesson 4, read L1 and have a look at L2 - lesson 3, read L2 and have a look at L1 - lesson 2, read L2 - lesson 1 Day 15: Blind shadow lessons 6-15, read L1 - lesson 5, read L1 and have a look at L2 - lesson 4, read L2 and have a look at L1 - lesson 2, read L2 - lesson 2 ... If you want to do something more with lesson 1, you could copy it by hand/type the text/read aloud/whatever, but I wouldn't do much more than that. Studying a short Assimil dialogue for over two weeks (albeit using different methods) is a lot of time. Even 10-15 of those add up to 30-45 minutes after a couple of weeks, and then the dialogues get longer and longer ... Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 15 June 2013 at 3:43pm 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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