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| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6152 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 33 of 35 03 July 2013 at 12:37pm | IP Logged |
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The CEFR is a work in progress, and I think it's likely to change to be closer to the OP's requirements. I've been looking at the more recent publications for the DELE and DELF exams, and these seem to focus more on the colloquial language than previously. I imagine this is due to the requirements of European employers outweighing the needs of European academics. In the academic world, the main requirements are to produced high quality written work, and to present it when required.
For the majority of employers, a high proficiency in the spoken language is much more valuable. Obviously, good reading and written skills are important, but spoken proficiency is key. If there is a new qualification, I think it would be based on spoken proficiency. Interestingly enough, both Cervantes and Alliance Française run conversation classes, which might form the basis of a new certificate. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5431 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 34 of 35 04 July 2013 at 2:38pm | IP Logged |
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To follow up on what @DaraghM has pointed out, I would add that an often forgotten element of the CEFR
examination model is the evaluation of spoken interaction. That is to say that in addition to reading, listening, writing and speaking, the CEFR also looks at the ability of the candidate to sustain the linguistic interaction or back and forth between between individuals. This gives real meaning to what is called conversational skills. So I think that we shall be seeing more interest in this area in the future. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 35 of 35 04 July 2013 at 7:25pm | IP Logged |
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Me again with my Finnish test...
in the YKI tests, the spoken interaction is tested only at the highest level (C1/C2). All tests include the speaking part where you speak into the microphone, but this particular test also includes an "interview". As always, I think the Finns are right :P Really, it's not like these tests show anything about your ability to chat informally... and academic debates show even less. If we stick to the neutral register, it's pretty much impossible to pass speaking and listening comprehension yet fail the oral interaction part. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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