Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 17 of 47 02 September 2013 at 4:19pm | IP Logged |
luke wrote:
And part of the difficulty in the FSI rating is perhaps in the standard to which speakers
are held. For Russian, grammatical errors may be less accepted than say getting the
subjunctive wrong in Spanish.
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Why?
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luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7205 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French
| Message 18 of 47 02 September 2013 at 5:37pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
luke wrote:
And part of the difficulty in the FSI rating is perhaps in the standard to which speakers
are held. For Russian, grammatical errors may be less accepted than say getting the
subjunctive wrong in Spanish.
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Why? |
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Speculation of course, but perhaps because Russia was a SuperPower, and most Spanish speaking countries don't have the the stature on the world stage as Russia.
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anime Triglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6360 days ago 161 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Spanish, Swedish*, English Studies: German, Portuguese, French, Russian
| Message 19 of 47 02 September 2013 at 5:40pm | IP Logged |
Isn't it easier to guess the right noun gender in Russian (by word ending), than in German for example?
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 20 of 47 02 September 2013 at 5:43pm | IP Logged |
anime wrote:
Isn't it easier to guess the right noun gender in Russian (by word
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Yes, it is.
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fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4715 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese
| Message 21 of 47 02 September 2013 at 7:20pm | IP Logged |
anime wrote:
Isn't it easier to guess the right noun gender in Russian (by word ending), than in German for example? |
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MUCH³³³³³³³ easier.
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anime Triglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6360 days ago 161 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Spanish, Swedish*, English Studies: German, Portuguese, French, Russian
| Message 22 of 47 02 September 2013 at 9:15pm | IP Logged |
that's good news atleast :)
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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 23 of 47 03 September 2013 at 1:36am | IP Logged |
I wouldn't say we demand perfection any more than other native speakers do. At least if you're not an illegal immigrant heh.
And really in any language there's a huge difference between just speaking and speaking well.
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Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4639 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian
| Message 24 of 47 03 September 2013 at 9:21am | IP Logged |
luke wrote:
kanewai wrote:
Just based on what I saw friends going through in college, Russian seems to be at the right place on the FSI scale |
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And part of the difficulty in the FSI rating is perhaps in the standard to which speakers are held. For Russian, grammatical errors may be less accepted than say getting the subjunctive wrong in Spanish.
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What I wonder, though, is: is it as hard to learn passively? I don't foresee any need to speak Russian in my life, but one day I would love to read Tolstoi, Dostoesvsky, and the rest. |
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I think this is a great question. One may recognize the cases, etc, but not having to produce them would lower the bar considerably, it seems. |
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I can confirm that this is the case. I've been studying Russian seriously for more than a year and a half, but it has been mainly "passive" learning, i.e. I have practised speaking it very little during this time. By now I am able to get the main gist out of a newspaper article (with the help of a dictionary), but I struggle hard to say three coherent and grammatically correct sentences. It is one thing to read and notice that after a certain preposition the noun will be in genitive, another thing to remember this and be able to produce the right gentive plural form of a noun on the spot in a conversation.
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