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| rapp Senior Member United States Joined 5729 days ago 129 posts - 204 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 9 of 24 03 October 2013 at 12:30am | IP Logged | |||||
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Cavesa,
I'm doing the neutrino Spanish program, which just went live on September 1st. So I'm barely over a month into it. The neutrino website always shows you daily and all-time stats. Here are my all-time ones: Level: 2=Double Helix | You're only 48,174 XP away from levelling up! | Hitcount: 912 | Kindacount: 41 | Skipcount: 15 | Phase: 3.1 [Rot: -77] XP: 70,576 / 1,900,000 【★3.7% &n bsp; &n bsp; &n bsp; &n bsp; &n bsp; &n bsp; 】 That is showing that I have levelled up one time (Level 1 = Quark). I've got about 48000 XP to go before I level up again (so about 25 days, given the 1900 XP per day goal). The hitcount stat is the number of atoms I have successfully completed. The kindacount is the number of atoms where I've indicated that I've half-way done the atom in some sense (For instance, you might get an atom that tells you to start playing a Spanish movie, and then later get one that says to start playing any Spanish audio. It is up to you whether to mark that second one as complete or as kinda done.) And you also have the option of completely skipping an atom if you want, although you get docked some XP if you do, so I haven't done that very often. I don't know what phase means. I've lost a total of 77 XP to the rot I mentioned before, and I've racked up just over 70000 XP so far. So the site documents in some detail just how much of a beginner I am. 8 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5530 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 10 of 24 03 October 2013 at 12:37am | IP Logged | |||||
I would love to read your Neutrino log! As far as I know, we've never had one before, and it would be a very cool addition to the forum. Khatzumoto is definitely experimenting with some very interesting teaching tools.
That certainly sounds like a fun and convenient course format. I love the fact that there are lots of links provided. And given your description, I can easily believe that Neutrino works. I'm still a little puzzled by the lack of Silver Spoon graduates. But I'm looking forward to following your progress if you choose to share it! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| rapp Senior Member United States Joined 5729 days ago 129 posts - 204 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 11 of 24 03 October 2013 at 12:55am | IP Logged | |||||
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Cavesa (continued ;-)
The question about choosing personalized materials versus being spoonfed links is a good one. It turns out that there is no conflict between those two things because the links that neutrino provides are frequently to search results. So, for example, if it asks you to watch a let's play video, it will provide a link that goes to youtube with the appropriate search terms already entered. So you just have to click on whichever one seems interesting to you. And similarly if it asks you to buy as Spanish comic book, it will provide a link to a page of "cómics y novelas gráficas" search results on amazon. So it always provides links which enable you to complete the atom, but you can choose the particular book/video/whatever that interests you. And you are not required to use those links. If you want to use vimeo or barnes and noble or whatever, well the provided link will show you the correct search terms to use to get to the appropriate material. 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 12 of 24 27 October 2013 at 1:27am | IP Logged | |||||
I just discovered this thread...have been enrolled in Khatz's Mandarin program for over a year. I periodically refer to what Khatz has me doing in my forum log.
Understanding the explanation would require first understanding Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) quite well, to the point of being able to deliberately and effectively use ABA techniques. That's not true for most people. I was on SinoSpoon day 31 or 32 when I realized Khatz was using ABA. Edited by Snowflake on 27 October 2013 at 1:29am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 13 of 24 27 October 2013 at 1:41am | IP Logged | |||||
I understand that the school Khatz attended here in the US has a very strong behavior program. A while back I invested a lot of time and money to learn to use ABA techniques well (related to working with animals) over something like 8-10 years. There is absolutely no way I would be able mimic Khatz's program myself, without a TON more ABA training, especially to the nuanced degree reflected in his program. Edited by Snowflake on 27 October 2013 at 8:07pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5007 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 14 of 24 28 October 2013 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I am not saying you could just mimic the same thing. Just that people who just manage
to put in the time, who search until they find their way and who use a lot of native sources do not need the silverspoon and will get the same results. All I said in that quote is true. Either you have the time to find out what you need and you are able to put the good advice from ajatt (which basically boils down to putting in a lot of time, using mostly native sources, using things that you enjoy and doing the less pleasant parts as efficiently as possible-anki,heisig,10000 sentences). Or you don't have the time/will and in that case, neutrino/silverspoon is a ready solution. I said nothing about creating the same system for yourself. You don't need to study any behavioral "science" in order to learn a language. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 15 of 24 28 October 2013 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
If you really dislike snakes, how long would it take to train yourself to work with them? I had an adversion to Chinese characters so it was necessary to approach it that way. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 16 of 24 29 October 2013 at 12:58am | IP Logged | |||||
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I sure hope she doesn't dislike me :D
And I also hope that most learners of Mandarin (or Japanese) here don't have an adversion to these characters. Wouldn't you need this stuff regardless of the method? Edited by Serpent on 29 October 2013 at 12:58am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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